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IRS Direct File to open to all 50 states and D.C. for 2025 tax season

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I would argue that having to file taxes through a 3rd party accountant or service is not only forced commerce but also broken glass economics. Looks like it helps the economy by creating jobs but the job is redundant and does not create anything of value. Where are crimes more likely to occur, a city with 10,000 or 1 million? Where are financial crimes more likely to occur, people that make $10,000 a year or people t…

Conventional wisdom is that if one can fund the IRS with one extra dollar, and they use that dollar to collect two dollars more taxes (from evaders), than that was a good way to spend taxpayers money. Many economists don't agree though. If you care about economic success of the country, the goal isn't 'collect as many taxes as possible'. The goal is to make the citizens wealthier in real terms. Effort your citizens p…

> If you care about economic success of the country, the goal isn't 'collect as many taxes as possible'. The goal is to make the citizens wealthier in real terms.

But the goal of taxation isn't to maximize the country's economic success or overall wealth.

It's to fund necessary government services (schools, courts, police, military, etc.) and to redistribute wealth (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.).

We only want to maximize national wealth after we've funded government services fully and redistributed wealth (and sufficiently protect the environment, protect workers, etc.).

So if funding the IRS gets you back more money, that's always good, because it's by definition going to the things that we have democratically decided are a higher priority than maximizing national wealth. And if we democratically decide that we're spending too much on services or redistributing too much, then we cut those intentionally -- not "accidentally" by underfunding the IRS.

Even if under-collecting taxes is good economic policy by the extremely narrow measure of GDP, it's terrible national policy. It's like saying that accidentally redirecting an extra $500 per person to the military is good military policy. I mean, sure it might be. But that doesn't mean it's good national policy.

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#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a huge problem that when the opposition comes into power, they immediately try to revert and undermine what the previous party did. Not because of merit, but just because of partisanship. So you end up with a lot of programs that get started and after a while get repealed or maintained badly. This costs the country a lot of money. The ACA is a classical example. Instead of improving it or proposing a real replac…

Please provide examples of Democrats undoing good policy/legislation just because it was passed by a prior Republican administration.

The great increase in illegal entry into the country through the southern border is a good recent example. Though, I suppose this is predicated upon it being "good policy" that illegal immigration be slowed.

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#103
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Not very, absolutely everyone hates doing their taxes and the whole shady process behind it all. The IRS should have to declare what they think you owe before you pay or submit any paperwork, I don't know if that'll ever happen but any baby or big steps towards that reality will win bipartisan support, easily. Just have to get past the conflicted-out members of congress who are truly being controlled by Turbo Tax and…

"Not very, absolutely everyone hates doing their taxes and the whole shady process behind it all" That's the Grover Norquist (and Republican) argument for not having IRS Direct File to begin with: if filing taxes becomes easy, people might not hate the IRS and hate taxes. https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-maker-of-turbotax...

And it's really because they don't know any poor people.

Because if they did, they'd know that filing taxes for low income people with kids is a HUGE bonanza, and they'd work like hell to implement a system where all tax credits were applied to individual paychecks, not lump sums during tax season. It's the one time of the year when their pockets are flush with cash.

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post #43

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Perhaps people should stop treating the president like a king, and you know, actually pass laws the way our government was designed to work...

Congress honestly seems to have completely shut down as a body able to accomplish anything. The president is all we have

This is a feature of the US constitutional system, not a bug. It's designed such that things move very, very slowly. If Congress isn't able to pass laws, it probably reflects a division in how the voting populace feels about the subject of such laws.

The president may be all we have, but he is constitutionally forbidden from acting like a king. Though, of course, that hasn't stopped presidents from trying.

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#106

I would argue that having to file taxes through a 3rd party accountant or service is not only forced commerce but also broken glass economics. Looks like it helps the economy by creating jobs but the job is redundant and does not create anything of value. Where are crimes more likely to occur, a city with 10,000 or 1 million? Where are financial crimes more likely to occur, people that make $10,000 a year or people t…

Conventional wisdom is that if one can fund the IRS with one extra dollar, and they use that dollar to collect two dollars more taxes (from evaders), than that was a good way to spend taxpayers money. Many economists don't agree though. If you care about economic success of the country, the goal isn't 'collect as many taxes as possible'. The goal is to make the citizens wealthier in real terms. Effort your citizens p…

> If you care about economic success of the country, the goal isn't 'collect as many taxes as possible'. The goal is to make the citizens wealthier in real terms.

Just like how "collect as many taxes as possible" isn't actually a good goal, just "make the citizens wealthier" isn't actually a good goal either because it says nothing about the distribution of that wealth.

If we enacted a law that made 99.9% of all citizens absolutely destitute to the point where they must eat rotten food found in the trash to survive, but this law also multiplied the wealth of Bezos and Elon a millionfold, then that would successfully "make the citizens wealthier" in sum.

Taxes are used to run society, from it's roads, fire department, education, social services, and much more. A lot of people are pushing to cut down on those things, to decrease the bounty that society offers regular people who partake, because "we just can't afford it." and the reason we can't afford it is because there is an overly focus on "make the citizens wealthier" even at the cost of most citizens.

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#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a huge problem that when the opposition comes into power, they immediately try to revert and undermine what the previous party did. Not because of merit, but just because of partisanship. So you end up with a lot of programs that get started and after a while get repealed or maintained badly. This costs the country a lot of money. The ACA is a classical example. Instead of improving it or proposing a real replac…

I'm actually curious on the reverse. What programs did the GOP start that were cancelled by the Dems? Note I'm a biased liberal, so potentially the reversals might've been propagandized to me as lifting restrictions or some other such political language and I might be unaware of the actual policies.

A couple of examples would be reduction of some of the Reagan-era defense spending under the Clinton administration, and partial rollback of some of the Reagan-era tax cuts under the Clinton administration.

Of course these were not complete elimination of programs, but adjustments. And you could argue that there were other reasons besides partisanship, like the end of the Cold War and budgetary issues.

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#108
I am a big fan of this, however since it doesn't do state taxes I will be forced to continue using freetaxusa since they do federal for free and charge a modest fee for your state filing. I hope that more states will follow the federal governments example and start allowing free filing online.

Re: IRS Direct File to open to all 50 states and D.C. for 2025 tax season

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a huge problem that when the opposition comes into power, they immediately try to revert and undermine what the previous party did. Not because of merit, but just because of partisanship. So you end up with a lot of programs that get started and after a while get repealed or maintained badly. This costs the country a lot of money. The ACA is a classical example. Instead of improving it or proposing a real replac…

> ACA is a classical example. Instead of improving it or proposing a real replacement, they campaign for repealing it The GOP has controlled the government mulitple times since ACA passed. That nothing was done shows it's a talking point. Legislation is hard to overturn. Executive actions, less so.

You have a pretty loose definition of talking point. It was pretty widely televised that McCain broke ranks with the party to prevent an ACA repeal [1] but ignoring that event there were many attempts over the course of 7 months [2] to replace it. That time could've been invested into literally anything else.

But yeah a lot of things end up being campaign talking points. Like Obama saying they'd enshrine abortion rights into law and uh didn't.

[1]: https://www.npr.org/2017/07/27/539907467/senate-careens-towa...

[2]: https://ballotpedia.org/Timeline_of_ACA_repeal_and_replace_e...

Re: IRS Direct File to open to all 50 states and D.C. for 2025 tax season

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As a Brit it's baffling that this is even an issue. I filed my taxes online with HMRC for free this year (we call it Self Assessment), it took 20 minutes, and I received a 4 figure refund in ~2 weeks directly in to my bank account.

Taxes are simple if you have a single W2. People just don't like reading the piece of paper in front of them.

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