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'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by galkk »

quickslowdown wrote: post #46
from-nibly wrote: post #22

No, the market cant handle that right now. A 4 day work week happens because of market forces. Companies don't need to offer perks unless they cant attract enough applicants or retain their top talent. We just saw this last year that companies done need anymore applicants. We are also seeing now that companies don't even care which part of their talent they keep. There might be a class divide coming that would includ…

I know there are multiple ways this could be implemented, but the thing I'm hearing most is you'd probably work longer hours during those 4 days, which is a tradeoff I might be cool with. Otherwise, just chopping a day off the work week and not reducing my pay sounds great, too. I'm less motivated and productive on a Friday as it is, because my cherished 48 hours is finally within reach.

Daycare closes at 5-6, and schools even earlier. That will greatly limit amount of people who can sustain longer hours.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

azinman2 wrote: post #27
from-nibly wrote: post #22

No, the market cant handle that right now. A 4 day work week happens because of market forces. Companies don't need to offer perks unless they cant attract enough applicants or retain their top talent. We just saw this last year that companies done need anymore applicants. We are also seeing now that companies don't even care which part of their talent they keep. There might be a class divide coming that would includ…

Seems you think that a 4 day work week is paid as 5 is currently. I don’t see why that’d be necessarily true. In that scenario, it’s kind of like a part time worker and I can see many businesses finding appeal in that.

> Seems you think that a 4 day work week is paid as 5 is currently.

Cost of living doesn't magically drop 20% just because you're not working that 5th day.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by goqu »

Companies are adopting the 4 day work week, but the numbers are still super small, even in tech industry that are most open to these type of experiments. Nevertheless it's happening and it's a movement with a lot of supporters around the world. For anyone interested here is a directory of 200 4-day week companies I work on: https://okjob.io/companies/ New company submissions are very welcome.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by roughly »

from-nibly wrote: post #22

No, the market cant handle that right now. A 4 day work week happens because of market forces. Companies don't need to offer perks unless they cant attract enough applicants or retain their top talent. We just saw this last year that companies done need anymore applicants. We are also seeing now that companies don't even care which part of their talent they keep. There might be a class divide coming that would includ…

The entire point of this is that productivity does not go down in a 4 day workweek and retention goes up. As an employer, you get the same amount of output, happier employees, and better retention. Everyone says they’re a data driven business until the data tells them something they don’t believe.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by PlunderBunny »

Spastche wrote: post #28
klyrs wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Richard Nixon was hyping the 4 day work week in 1956!

what a bizarre guy, I would not have expected that

It's amazing to see what 'right-wing' parties/politicians used to promote in the past vs now.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by fulafel »

esafak wrote: post #10

I wonder if productivity is ever going to increase to the point where we work one day a week.

Productivity has skyrocketed, we crossed ~ 20% of current GDP per capita around middle of the last century and we would be able to get by quite well with that. There would need to be many policy and cultural changes to do it but it's definitely collecitively a choice today more than anything else.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by diarrhea »

roughly wrote: post #54
from-nibly wrote: post #22

No, the market cant handle that right now. A 4 day work week happens because of market forces. Companies don't need to offer perks unless they cant attract enough applicants or retain their top talent. We just saw this last year that companies done need anymore applicants. We are also seeing now that companies don't even care which part of their talent they keep. There might be a class divide coming that would includ…

The entire point of this is that productivity does not go down in a 4 day workweek and retention goes up. As an employer, you get the same amount of output, happier employees, and better retention. Everyone says they’re a data driven business until the data tells them something they don’t believe.

Companies generally follow decision-driven data principles.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by jimbob45 »

metabro wrote: post #57

I’ve been working 4 days a week informally for a decade. Everyone checks out on Fridays with the exception of the rare fire. I suspect it’s the same for other information workers.

Everyone checks out on Fridays with the exception of the rare fire.

But, crucially, we're all still present or within arm's reach. It seems more likely that we'll get 5 short days rather than 4 long ones so that everyone is on hand should things arise while, at the same time, acknowledging that long days become quickly inefficient.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by TeMPOraL »

roughly wrote: post #54
from-nibly wrote: post #22

No, the market cant handle that right now. A 4 day work week happens because of market forces. Companies don't need to offer perks unless they cant attract enough applicants or retain their top talent. We just saw this last year that companies done need anymore applicants. We are also seeing now that companies don't even care which part of their talent they keep. There might be a class divide coming that would includ…

The entire point of this is that productivity does not go down in a 4 day workweek and retention goes up. As an employer, you get the same amount of output, happier employees, and better retention. Everyone says they’re a data driven business until the data tells them something they don’t believe.

One thing I learned working at a desk next to some marketing agency people is, if neither you nor your customer understand statistics, the data will just tell the story that makes both of you happy, and that keeps the money flowing.
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