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Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by hulitu »

wrs wrote: post #13
Rinzler89 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only Satya Nadella would dogfood the OOTB experience of Windows 11 and not whatever his IT departments set up for him, he'd probably throw his laptop out the window and fire half the Windows managers.

~20 years ago BillG would occasionally send an unhappy internal email to execs/architects with a list of annoying or nonsensical things he ran into using Windows, Office, or whatever. I can't say that it had much effect! Other than all installers being terrible, the only one I can sort of remember is a rant about "My Documents" and how the word "My" made no sense.

I guess the purpose of "My Documents" and "Program Files" was to break compatibility with some old DOS programs. Because using space in filenames was not a very wise idea from Microsoft. (it broke even some Microsoft programs)

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by hulitu »

ghshephard wrote: post #50
illusive4080 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people prefer Windows + WSL over Mac. I can’t fathom why anyone would choose Windows over Mac or Linux.

At work I spent 13 years on the Mac. Then 5 solid years on nothing but Linux. And the last two years on WSL+Windows. My home system is an M1 Macbook Air. I'm an SRE so I mostly write lots of code and bash scripts and run 50+ tmux panes/day in parallel. I run 3 monitors - 35", Laptop, 27" to my left. All three monitors are in constant use. All three have something to offer - the "Why" of Windows+WSL. - WSL offers a pr…

> - The windows GUI is far superior to anything Linux has to offer - PowerToys/Fancy Zones offers snapping and window control I could never replicate on Linux - despite multiple years of trying to.

Fvwm ? I won't comment about Windows.

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by pjmlp »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #8
RicoElectrico wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if there's no person at the helm with some sort of... um... vision, they call it?

If only Satya Nadella would dogfood the OOTB experience of Windows 11 and not whatever his IT departments set up for him, he'd probably throw his laptop out the window and fire half the Windows managers.

Who do you think is responsible for where Windows is going?

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by pjmlp »

illusive4080 wrote: post #14
mhh__ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately there are lots of devs stuck on windows, wsl is very popular.

Lots of people prefer Windows + WSL over Mac. I can’t fathom why anyone would choose Windows over Mac or Linux.

Plenty of us also know UNIX, and rather not use it more than what is needed to the extent of job requirements.

We rather enjoy our IDEs and graphical workflows as much as possible.

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by screye »

OnionBlender wrote: post #37

What is the easiest option for running Linux commands on windows? Is WSL overkill for that? I really hate the power shells CLI. The commands are so long and unintuitive.

I know this doesnt answer your question, but just install wsl. It is incredibly easy and works with zero setup.

Windows is truly the most stable Linux distro.

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by Rinzler89 »

wrs wrote: post #13
Rinzler89 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only Satya Nadella would dogfood the OOTB experience of Windows 11 and not whatever his IT departments set up for him, he'd probably throw his laptop out the window and fire half the Windows managers.

~20 years ago BillG would occasionally send an unhappy internal email to execs/architects with a list of annoying or nonsensical things he ran into using Windows, Office, or whatever. I can't say that it had much effect! Other than all installers being terrible, the only one I can sort of remember is a rant about "My Documents" and how the word "My" made no sense.

> a rant about "My Documents" and how the word "My" made no sense.

Well, we're not in a communist country for them to be "Our Documents", so of course it will be "My Documents". USA! USA! USA!

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by Rinzler89 »

cyberax wrote: post #29
wrs wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

~20 years ago BillG would occasionally send an unhappy internal email to execs/architects with a list of annoying or nonsensical things he ran into using Windows, Office, or whatever. I can't say that it had much effect! Other than all installers being terrible, the only one I can sort of remember is a rant about "My Documents" and how the word "My" made no sense.

It had plenty of effect! WinXP/2k were the most logically organized Windows OS. It went rapidly downhill once Bill Gates left Microsoft.

So Bill Gates was the good guy?

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by NGRhodes »

Finally decided that there are too many papercuts with WSL2. As new features and enhancements are introduced, new bugs appear at a similar rate.

This is not just me, but colleagues in the team using a mixture of personal and corporate devices encounter a similar stream of bugs. just enough to frustrate as we use WSL2 for our own work and support users.

I've yet to decide if to use VBox or go back to a Linux desktop (100% of my non admin work is Linux based, 100% of my admin work can be done through the browser).

Recently encountered issues in our team:

  - New experimental disk space reclaim feature caused WSL2 machine AND NTFS corruption. I've provided logs and others have confirmed.
  - 2 weeks ago installed docker desktop to help support a user. WSL2 will no longer (usually between 1 and 2GB) release memory or allow WSL2 to shutdown after shutdown of Docker Desktop.    
  - We still get various networking glitches with the new and old networking modes, routing and DNS issues when connected/disconnecting from VPN, IPV6, docker network access, accessing localhost web servers
  - A WSUS update deployed in April breaking WSL2 until WSL2 manually shutdown and  updated.   
  - A WSUS update requiring a restart breaking WSL2 until machine restarted.
Note everyone in the team encounters a different subset of the issues.

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by illusive4080 »

nikau wrote: post #52
illusive4080 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people prefer Windows + WSL over Mac. I can’t fathom why anyone would choose Windows over Mac or Linux.

At this stage it's because office on Mac sucks. With the push to the new fisher price version of unified office that benefit will go away.

Microsoft products, while better than they were 10 years ago, are still terrible on Mac. Completely agree with you.

Re: Microsoft Rolling Out New Windows Subsystem for Linux "WSL" Features for 2024

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Post by happypumpkin »

userbinator wrote: post #28
Dalewyn wrote: post #18

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>being the most hated big tech company. I thought that was either Google, Facebook, or Amazon depending on which way the winds are blowing on a given day.

It's easy to avoid Facebook and Amazon. Microsoft and especially Google, not so much.

> especially Google

Yup... Firefox, Kagi, & Protonmail get me away from the worst of it but YouTube doesn't really have a good competitor and other people using things like Google Forms (whatever the surveys are called) sometimes ends up forcing me to log into a Google account or have certain features locked out.

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