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'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by dexwiz »

firefoxd wrote: post #21

Last Sunday, I was walking down the street with my kids when a man bumped into me trying to cross the street. He turned around to apologize and we had a discussion at the red light. He was working a 12 hour shift and was now on his break which he had to rush to get to the store. He said memorial weekend was extremely busy. "After that we will go back to regular busy." When we talk about 4 day workweek, it's for some…

4 day work weeks will be for the elite. While those in service jobs will probably end up with two 30 hour a week jobs. The definition for full time won’t change, but skilled workers will get full time benefits at 32 hours, everyone else will continue to get screwed.

It’s kind of like unlimited PTO. It sounds good on paper but some people will receive outsized benefits compared to others.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by fbdab103 »

from-nibly wrote: post #22

No, the market cant handle that right now. A 4 day work week happens because of market forces. Companies don't need to offer perks unless they cant attract enough applicants or retain their top talent. We just saw this last year that companies done need anymore applicants. We are also seeing now that companies don't even care which part of their talent they keep. There might be a class divide coming that would includ…

Management seems determined to mandate RTO. I am not seeing a flood of alternative perks being offered with suddenly being forced to waste 5+ hours of my life each week commuting.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by sk11001 »

azinman2 wrote: post #27
from-nibly wrote: post #22

No, the market cant handle that right now. A 4 day work week happens because of market forces. Companies don't need to offer perks unless they cant attract enough applicants or retain their top talent. We just saw this last year that companies done need anymore applicants. We are also seeing now that companies don't even care which part of their talent they keep. There might be a class divide coming that would includ…

Seems you think that a 4 day work week is paid as 5 is currently. I don’t see why that’d be necessarily true. In that scenario, it’s kind of like a part time worker and I can see many businesses finding appeal in that.

> Seems you think that a 4 day work week is paid as 5 is currently.

It should be. Most people won't accept less pay even if it comes with reduced hours.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

Here in the Netherlands plenty of companies already switched to a 36 hour fulltime workweek, and I know of at least one large company (15.000+ employees) went to a 34 hour workweek. And all those companies pay the same as 40 hour companies.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by qiqitori »

Just the other day I asked my boss if I can reduce my hours a bit, essentially giving me a 4-day workweek, just that even those days have slightly reduced hours (8->7 hours, though the lunch break is 1 hour, so really it's down from 9->8 hours. Subtext: I don't consider the forced 1 hour lunch break a good thing in my position BTW. It's okay when working from home because you can actually relax, but working from home doesn't always work so well in embedded software development)

Personally I think it'll improve my productivity because it'll give me more time to spend on "hobby" software development, which should improve my general motivation and in turn improve my productivity at work. Well that's what I'm thinking anyway. I've been wanting to do this for a couple years, and finally it's likely that I'll manage to pull it off!

Course, my salary will go down a bit, but it's probably high enough at the moment.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by card_zero »

flax wrote: post #24
firefoxd wrote: post #21

Last Sunday, I was walking down the street with my kids when a man bumped into me trying to cross the street. He turned around to apologize and we had a discussion at the red light. He was working a 12 hour shift and was now on his break which he had to rush to get to the store. He said memorial weekend was extremely busy. "After that we will go back to regular busy." When we talk about 4 day workweek, it's for some…

You don't have to have individuals working 24/7 to have things open 24/7.

Yeah, that guy could be two guys, working four day weeks. I guess they'd overlap on Thursdays, but that's a detail.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by HDThoreaun »

qiqitori wrote: post #36

Just the other day I asked my boss if I can reduce my hours a bit, essentially giving me a 4-day workweek, just that even those days have slightly reduced hours (8->7 hours, though the lunch break is 1 hour, so really it's down from 9->8 hours. Subtext: I don't consider the forced 1 hour lunch break a good thing in my position BTW. It's okay when working from home because you can actually relax, but working from home…

Fuck the money, I wish I could get this schedule. Dont want to speak for you, but I make more than enough money

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by hinkley »

flax wrote: post #24
firefoxd wrote: post #21

Last Sunday, I was walking down the street with my kids when a man bumped into me trying to cross the street. He turned around to apologize and we had a discussion at the red light. He was working a 12 hour shift and was now on his break which he had to rush to get to the store. He said memorial weekend was extremely busy. "After that we will go back to regular busy." When we talk about 4 day workweek, it's for some…

You don't have to have individuals working 24/7 to have things open 24/7.

It’s probably easier to do 24/7 with a 4 day week, since it’s closer to half a week per employee.

Re: 'It's better for humans in general': The 4-day workweek is closer than you think

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Post by HDThoreaun »

card_zero wrote: post #37
flax wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to have individuals working 24/7 to have things open 24/7.

Yeah, that guy could be two guys, working four day weeks. I guess they'd overlap on Thursdays, but that's a detail.

We're pretty much at full employment. Labor force could get a few percentages bigger but I dont see where all these new people will come from
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