US and Israel created Stuxnet, lost control of it

Post by soc88 » Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 12:58 PM UTC

netcan wrote: post #7

Fizzadar wrote: post #4

This feels similar to the Megaupload case; America desperately throwing its weight around outside it's borders, with a total disregard for the law. And, just like the Megaupload case, they have fucked up big time. Why does the American govt. feel it has the right to choose who can become a nuclear power or not anyway?

Some things are a question of right, some things are a question of need or interest. The US has enemies and it doesn't want them to have nuclear weapons.

Post by brown9-2 » Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 1:08 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #39

antonioevans wrote: post #10

If Israel had physically bombed the Iranian plant would that not started another major war in the Middle East? I am not saying this is an elegant solution to cross border conflict but war was avoided. Everyone in the hacker community knows this was coming. This is going to get much worst before it gets better. Power outages in Brazil, China/Google event last year, and stuxnet. As the article says: "Stuxnet is old new…

> If Israel had physically bombed the Iranian plant would that not started another major war in the Middle East? Who would be the combatants? One of the few actually interesting things that came out of the leaked diplomatic cables was that many of the major Middle East countries want Iran's nuclear program stopped, with Saudi Arabia actually repeatedly urging the US to attack. In light of that, I'd expect that if Isr…

Post by eli » Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 1:09 PM UTC

forgotusername wrote: post #37

eli wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT would almost certainly not have run the story with a single source backing it up.

There is too much wishful thinking going on around Stuxnet, both on the part of the security industry and the general public who'd rather believe their own country originated it. If you were a world super power, wouldn't it be in your interests to claim responsibility for a first of its kind, extremely high tech attack? I believe any government wouldn't mind this kind of attribution. I'll wait my 50 years or whatever…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 1:10 PM UTC

Fizzadar wrote: post #4

This feels similar to the Megaupload case; America desperately throwing its weight around outside it's borders, with a total disregard for the law. And, just like the Megaupload case, they have fucked up big time. Why does the American govt. feel it has the right to choose who can become a nuclear power or not anyway?

Post by why-el » Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 1:12 PM UTC

hieronymusN wrote: post #41

ck2 wrote: post #28

It's a new cold war. Eventually Iran will write viruses in return to attack US power grid. All fun and games until Homeland Security Theater is given new powers to raid your home and shoot your dog if they think your computer is being used as part of a botnet.

This isn't nearly as terrifying as the Cold War with the USSR. We're not threatened with nuclear war, nor having the near misses that could trigger it (Cuban missile crisis). No one is building bomb shelters in their backyards, because right now the balance of power is very much in the United States' favor. Could things get there with another nuclear enabled power like China? Maybe, in time. Iran is not an existentia…