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1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Re: 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Post by doublerabbit »

labster wrote: post #35
EGreg wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how HN is just a cheerleader for AI btw. Like the vast majority of posts are all the same. “AI is unbelievably awesome”. “All dangers are overblown and silly.” “We’ve always had X downside, it’s nothing new” “but Web3 sucks in every possible way.”

AI has spent the last few months being useful to lots of people across many industries, even if only moderately so. Web3 has spent the decade being useful to approximately no one.

Hey, what your saying about Web3. I'm easily amused by https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/

Re: 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Post by jonathankoren »

nijave wrote: post #36
jmeyer2k wrote: post #5

As someone working on an AI tool for education, I think it's going to be one of the hardest industries to get right, but also the most important. - It's going to be tricky for AI tutors to make an impact. Teachers are better at inspiring students to do better than computers ever will be, but for those already motivated, AI will provide a great study tool. - Students have access to LLMs as well now, so any writing ass…

>We're building an AI grading assistant for teachers So students will be generating papers with AI and teachers grading them with AI? Maybe the real problem is education and teaching isn't innovating as fast as tech Can't remember where but saw a comic not too long ago when an employee uses AI to generate a long email and the recipient uses AI to summarize it

> Can't remember where but saw a comic not too long ago when an employee uses AI to generate a long email and the recipient uses AI to summarize it

Bruh. That was a GOOGLE PRESENTATION from like last year.

Of course, since it was more than two weeks ago, it’s been memory holed, but it was Google IO 2023 or something when demonstrating Bard in GSuite.

Re: 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Post by pricees »

My memory is poor, but if I remember anything, it was the apprehension of the establishment over students using Wikipedia as a reference. How can we trust the source when "anybody" can make edits?

I am certainly not saying Wikipedia is scripture; however, those fears -- like so many tech fears before and after -- have turned out to be baseless.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must go and dust off my Encarta CD-ROM. I want to hear what an Elephant sounded like in 1995.

Re: 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

Seems like LLMs will cause the average student to learn less, while the motivated students can learn much more, and more quickly. Personally I have found LLMs very useful for teaching myself new things, but I could imagine just using them to solve my homework faster without comprehending it, if I were a student who didn't care very much about the material.

Re: 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Post by irjustin »

The shift is coming. Just like the internet changed how kids access information, the old way is out.

My wife is an educator and we have long discussions about this. I believe lessons need to be upgraded to require AI and how to interact and prompt it for deeper meaning of more than just "Find the value of the hypotenuse". Something in the form of controlled modules?

Testing can stay exactly the same, i.e. no computers/ai, but learning has to be completely shifted.

Re: 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Post by jonathankoren »

Mathnerd314 wrote: post #17
artninja1988 wrote: post #2

Damn. Only 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education? Better than expected

The other way to look at it is that 3 out of 4 teachers say AI tools do more good than harm. That's not actually what the survey said, they just have a big 35% "unsure" category, but at this point being unsure is the same as supporting AI. "if you're not against us, you're with us"

At most you can say is 3 out of 4 are neutral. Excluding my the middle is a basic logical fallacy.

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Post by surfingdino »

iudexgundyr wrote: post #37

What does the other 3 teachers say?

"I'm just a LLM and I'm still learning. I'm afraid I cannot give an opinion on a potentially divisive topic like education, because education is an important part of development of a properly adjusted human being whilst my probabilistic hallucinations are paid for with the taxpayers money which has a history of being a medium of transfer of value and values are an important device in the process of creation of a cohesive society where temperature gradient of knowledge corpora used to construct recombined outputs leads to non-aligned conclusions that may or may not cause distress..."

Re: 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Post by r2_pilot »

nijave wrote: post #36
jmeyer2k wrote: post #5

As someone working on an AI tool for education, I think it's going to be one of the hardest industries to get right, but also the most important. - It's going to be tricky for AI tutors to make an impact. Teachers are better at inspiring students to do better than computers ever will be, but for those already motivated, AI will provide a great study tool. - Students have access to LLMs as well now, so any writing ass…

>We're building an AI grading assistant for teachers So students will be generating papers with AI and teachers grading them with AI? Maybe the real problem is education and teaching isn't innovating as fast as tech Can't remember where but saw a comic not too long ago when an employee uses AI to generate a long email and the recipient uses AI to summarize it

https://marketoonist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/230327.n...

Re: 1 in 4 U.S. Teachers Say AI Tools Do More Harm Than Good in K-12 Education

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Post by halfcat »

To me, the most unfortunate thing in this storyline so far is not that people aren’t up to speed on AI, but that students are regularly getting penalized because they are suspected of using AI.

Teachers and professors using “AI detection” tools seem to be causing the most harm at this point.

I don’t know what else kids can do aside from stream the entire process of writing an essay on Twitch.

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