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New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

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Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medical devices, e.g. (some) insulin pumps like the Tandem Mobi, are managed via smartphone apps only. It's an unfortunate fact of life that life supporting technology can increasingly only be interfaced via smartphones. From my perspective, that's an unfortunate but ultimately good reason for some kids to have smartphones.

my kid's phone is used for managing and monitoring t1d, and they will always have their smart phone at hand i don't care what law people think they are putting in place

Valid, yes. But the law could still require that the medical monitoring device have other functions disabled or (depending on what the legislators consider easy enough) not in use while in class except for the t1d monitor + SMS + voice, right? And they could still apply discipline if the student's phone has other functions enabled or (depending on the legislative wording) in use while in class?

The law could also use indirect leverage to gradually separate students' medical monitoring from the smartphone over the medium to long term. For example, they could begin a multi-year transition period after which NY-regulated health insurance plans would have to cover a non-smartphone version of these monitoring devices with at least equivalent functionality to any smartphone version they cover, at no greater out-of-pocket cost to the patient, unless no comparable non-smartphone product is on the market from any manufacturer. Then they could eventually require the non-smartphone version in class once it exists, with a fully insurance-paid (no cost-sharing) transition available at that time to children who use the existing smartphone monitoring system.

To avoid a gap in insurance coverage, NY could continue to mandate that some version of these devices be covered, so nobody would go without affordable medical monitoring. But as soon as one company decides to make a non-smartphone version, their competitors would have to do the same or else lose market share in NY, so they all would. (Why would that first company take the leap? They'd get a lot of insurance-paid device purchases for the transition for children's existing devices.) And then teachers would have an ADA-compliant way to remove the distractions of smartphones in class even for kids with medical monitoring needs, without causing harm to anyone.

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

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I still don't understand why they were ever allowed in the first place. I went to public school in the 00s and if you got caught with your phone out in class, it would be confiscated until the end of the day. Repeat offenders would need their parents to come up to the school to get the phone back.

If your argument if "that's how it was in my day" then it's not very convincing.

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

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post #25

I still don't understand why they were ever allowed in the first place. I went to public school in the 00s and if you got caught with your phone out in class, it would be confiscated until the end of the day. Repeat offenders would need their parents to come up to the school to get the phone back.

Parents.

On Sept 11, 2001, I remember parents freaking out and pulling kids out of school. After that, parents were giving kids phones earlier for safety reasons.

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

#44
They ripped out home economics, Wood, metal and auto shop. They ripped out the computer labs (hey, many of you HAD vocational training and didn't know it). Gym, Art, Music... all persist.

Schools in the US have become some sort of retrograde distopian bubble of a time that never existed.

Now you're going to remove the one check that kids had vs this system? Cause we haven't seen videos of teachers being awful, stupid or misinformed, we dont want to give kids the option to fact check bull shit on the spot?

If you think that cell phones harm kids, or social media harms kids, this bill does fuck all to change that. IT does remove the one context where an internet connection and camera might be useful to how the kids deal with the world going forward.

Fund schools year round, with smaller classes, better teacher pay and 8 hour fucking days with meals provided to kids. These are the things that will change outcomes, not cell phones bans.

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

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post #39

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> The teachers who won't answer email are the ones who are just being stubborn. Is that relevant to the cellphones-in-school bit?

Technophobia. Kids use phones to communicate with teachers and that includes during the school day.

It's a valuable lesson to learn that the person in authority gets to set rules, even if they're arbitrary.

It doesn't seem unreasonable for a teacher to say "I don't like interacting via email. If you need something from me, tell me."

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Medical devices, e.g. (some) insulin pumps like the Tandem Mobi, are managed via smartphone apps only. It's an unfortunate fact of life that life supporting technology can increasingly only be interfaced via smartphones. From my perspective, that's an unfortunate but ultimately good reason for some kids to have smartphones.

my kid's phone is used for managing and monitoring t1d, and they will always have their smart phone at hand i don't care what law people think they are putting in place

Does that phone need a sim card?

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

#47

This is wonderful. Make it National. Then collective elderly Us can rest assured the generation that's running the country received a "proper" education closer to what many of us experienced since we were in school before smartphones were everywhere.

Lol, this kind of thing will have minimal, if any, effect on anything. The older generation have had their minds destroyed by cable news and AM radio.

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

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post #13

Good, I don't see any good reason for kids to have smartphones in school. If someone needs to get a hold of the kid, the old fashioned way of just calling the school still works just fine.

We actually wanted to use the Seek app to show kids how to identify plants from pictures and what they could learn about plants. We wanted to emphasize: * native vs introduced vs endangered * threatened or endangered * medicinal, culinary, or crafting uses

Unfortunately we could not because of school policy preventing kids from using smart phones in class, BUT they were happy to follow the teacher around and point at plants to ID. It significantly increased classroom participation cause it’s interactive learning. Information that used to be incredibly out of reach is now readily in front of them.

Overall, I think it’s good to extremely limit use of smartphones in schools, but I think there’s some amazing stuff we can do now like bird ID with Merlin and kids should know how to do it.

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

#49

This is wonderful. Make it National. Then collective elderly Us can rest assured the generation that's running the country received a "proper" education closer to what many of us experienced since we were in school before smartphones were everywhere.

But where will we get the funding to build uphills both ways on the walk to school?

I have faith that Project Penrose will soon bear results.

Re: New York governor to launch bill banning smartphones in schools

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my kid's phone is used for managing and monitoring t1d, and they will always have their smart phone at hand i don't care what law people think they are putting in place

Does that phone need a sim card?

What are you suggesting?
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