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An even faster Microsoft Edge

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Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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Teams was/is an Angular app.

Teams is no longer using Angular, it has moved to React

If only Teams was developed by the largest stakeholder in the Windows native app ecosystem. It would be a perfect chance to show off native UI tooling that would make other companies want to develop for that platform. Oh well...

Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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Why doesn't Microsoft realize that Edge just isn't happening? I was a * huge* Microsoft fan boy for decades. Like, I eagerly awaited releases of the products I used like Windows and Visual Studio and Excel and on and on. It was thrilling to use NT with the Windows 95 skin when it was available in beta. Sorry to nerd out so hard, but I just loved their products. Now they're just making Windows worse and worse and wors…

> Why doesn't Microsoft realize that Edge just isn't happening?

I mean, they're basically outsourcing a lot of the heavy lifting to Chromium, which is a pretty rock solid piece of technology.

Being able to do that while adding a layer of customization and metrics/analytics/telemetry/features/whatever on top of that with their branding is pretty much ideal from where they stand.

Given that most people won't bother with switching away from defaults, it feels like a smart move to me. Most people aren't even aware that there should be alternatives to the dark patterns, nor have ever used an OS like Linux.

Honestly, I recently got some Apple devices for a freelance thing and while their UI/UX is a breath of fresh air, I also ran into some weirdness, like Firefox not working with my VPN on the MacBook or not having uBlock Origin on the iPhone. Meanwhile, I'll be strongarmed with replacing my Windows 10 install with Windows 11 sooner or later, whereas Linux is generally nice, except some games and whatnot just won't work (sometimes due to lacking interest for Proton support, other times due to developers and anti-cheat), as well as there are the occasional issues (audio drivers and Wi-Fi drivers still come to mind, depending on the hardware, especially the cheaper netbooks I have historically been using for note taking). I'm getting a bit sidetracked, but feels like every OS and piece of software out there has some issues, for a variety of reasons, many of which we shouldn't be dealing with in the first place!

Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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I once switched from Firefox to Chrome on old PCs because Firefox felt intolerably slow. I still use some of these PCs, including semi-old ones on which Firefox feels tolerably slow so I use Firefox. I expected Edge to be at least as as fast as Chrome but no, it feels more slow than Firefox. It also asks many questions (no, I don't want to make it the default nor to sign-in, nor to let it itself cookie-track me, and…

I wonder if the "new" Firefox is about as good on old PCs as Chrome as it improved quite a lot with Quantum/Photon. For me the switch to Chrome was also caused by the abysmal performance of Firefox at the time, but I immediately switched back when the performance was at least tolerable. Granted Chrome is still the faster browser from what I've seen in benchmarks and reviews.

Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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I've been an Edge user since release. As Google dominates the Internet commercial spyware business, Chrome isn't an option I'm comfortable with. I used Firefox for a couple of years, but unfortunately it really fell behind in performance, at least on Windows. So Edge it is - and to be honest, I'm pretty happy with its performance, stability and privacy customizations (including the private VPN I use for the Google Search, as using Google Search from a regular VPN service gives me annoying "bot" challenges).

Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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I've been an Edge user since release. As Google dominates the Internet commercial spyware business, Chrome isn't an option I'm comfortable with. I used Firefox for a couple of years, but unfortunately it really fell behind in performance, at least on Windows. So Edge it is - and to be honest, I'm pretty happy with its performance, stability and privacy customizations (including the private VPN I use for the Google Se…

I have Chrome, Edge and Firefox installed and I never understood the performance complaints about Firefox. There is no difference in loading times between any site I frequent. I believe this is a wrong meme to be honest.

Edge was a decent browser for a very short time when it was just a minimal browser. Around the time they switched the engine. Today is in no way better and in quite a few parts even worse than Chrome.

Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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Teams is no longer using Angular, it has moved to React

If only Teams was developed by the largest stakeholder in the Windows native app ecosystem. It would be a perfect chance to show off native UI tooling that would make other companies want to develop for that platform. Oh well...

While somewhat true, to its credit Teams is using basically the same UI stack for its web-based product (teams.microsoft.com) and its "native" desktop app, so there's a win there.

Also, the Teams desktop app has moved from Electron to Edge WebView2 - which is a Microsoft product.

Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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I once switched from Firefox to Chrome on old PCs because Firefox felt intolerably slow. I still use some of these PCs, including semi-old ones on which Firefox feels tolerably slow so I use Firefox. I expected Edge to be at least as as fast as Chrome but no, it feels more slow than Firefox. It also asks many questions (no, I don't want to make it the default nor to sign-in, nor to let it itself cookie-track me, and…

In a very old laptop I used Pale Moon [0] and it worked quite well.

[0] https://www.palemoon.org

Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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I once switched from Firefox to Chrome on old PCs because Firefox felt intolerably slow. I still use some of these PCs, including semi-old ones on which Firefox feels tolerably slow so I use Firefox. I expected Edge to be at least as as fast as Chrome but no, it feels more slow than Firefox. It also asks many questions (no, I don't want to make it the default nor to sign-in, nor to let it itself cookie-track me, and…

I don't disbelieve that people have performance problems with Firefox, but I've been using it since before it was Firefox the entire time and I've never run into it being intolerably slow. Maybe it is because I never have more than a dozen tabs open at once, or maybe it is because I never use facebook or some of the other popular sites and maybe those are really heavy.

And yes, I do sometimes use Edge and Chrome, mostly for my work machine, because sometimes the company internal web products are developed on and tested only Chrome and on occasion things don't work for FF. Those don't feel any zippier to me.

Re: An even faster Microsoft Edge

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Totally agree. Other aspects of Windows are so good, such as WSL, but they completely ruin it with all of this.

So one of the main good aspects of Windows is that it can run Linux :) ?

Indeed. Although to their defense Powershell is pretty decent as well, it just isn't as widely spread and not as universal as bash. Don't know if it conforms with posix, but that is doubtful. Still as solid tool.

But all that doesn't help if the OS gets trashed by bad project leads and Microsoft seems to employ a lot of those. Their technical mistakes are dwarfed by their strategic ones. And companies being locked into their environment providing a record income probably don't help with Microsoft really trying to be competitive instead of milking users as much as possible.

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