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Re: Collusion - iPad pen productivity solved

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Post by slantyyz »

flyosity wrote: post #5

The video still shows a lot of lag between when the stylus touches the glass and the pixels in the app show the pen trail. This needs to be heavily optimized or else it will make their hardware a lot of engineering work for nothing and users won't be happy. At this stage, from the video, it looks to have similar latency as other existing iPad sketch apps and those have no hardware dongle or stylus (and cost $100 less…

It's a neat idea, but the lag is a dealbreaker for me. I've been looking/waiting for a pen based note-taking solution, even if it's a unitasking solution, to get rid of the heavy hardcover sketchbook in my briefcase.

My use case is simple, I just want a digital copy of my notes -- I don't need any OCR or anything fancy like that, and I'm not convinced that a LiveScribe is the way to go.

I had high hopes for the NoteSlate, but that product has turned out to be vapor ware.

Re: Collusion - iPad pen productivity solved

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Post by slantyyz »

stephengillie wrote: post #15
learc83 wrote: post #6

I would rather use this on an $80 android tablet than a $500 iPad. I'd be a lot more likely to take it with me everywhere if dropping it wasn't so costly. Come to think of it, I'd rather use an android with a custom ROM that turned it into dedicated writing/drawing device. Edit: watching this video also made me think of how much better math textbooks could be on dedicated writing tablets. I'm going back to school to…

You would be more impressed by a Wacom penabled tablet or phone, like the Galaxy Note. My Wacom penabled tablet/laptop convertible PC was invaluable at taking calculus and economics notes in Word 2007 - You can type all the text, then pick up the stylus and draw formulas, graphs, and symbols where you want. It was such a powerful use-case for me that I don't understand why nobody has copied it yet.

Are they lag free? The video I saw of the Galaxy Note's sketch/note app showed lag.

Re: Collusion - iPad pen productivity solved

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Post by majormajor »

tikhonj wrote: post #18
stephengillie wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would be more impressed by a Wacom penabled tablet or phone, like the Galaxy Note. My Wacom penabled tablet/laptop convertible PC was invaluable at taking calculus and economics notes in Word 2007 - You can type all the text, then pick up the stylus and draw formulas, graphs, and symbols where you want. It was such a powerful use-case for me that I don't understand why nobody has copied it yet.

Off topic, but you could have done your notes in LaTeX as well. In fact, in my experience, using TeX for math formulas (I did a semester's worth of calculus notes in LaTeX) is actually faster than writing them out by hand (\unless I give up on trying to make the result readable at all, and maybe even then. Admittedly, graphs and illustrations were an issue. In fact, I basically didn't bother with either. But just for…

I took my math and CS notes in LaTeX because I hated writing and wanted everything together in files that I had source control on, but I definitely didn't find it faster to type in the equations than write them out by hand, even with a fair bit of practice at Emacs keyboard shortcuts for common stuff.

Re: Collusion - iPad pen productivity solved

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Post by [deleted] »

tikhonj wrote: post #18
stephengillie wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would be more impressed by a Wacom penabled tablet or phone, like the Galaxy Note. My Wacom penabled tablet/laptop convertible PC was invaluable at taking calculus and economics notes in Word 2007 - You can type all the text, then pick up the stylus and draw formulas, graphs, and symbols where you want. It was such a powerful use-case for me that I don't understand why nobody has copied it yet.

Off topic, but you could have done your notes in LaTeX as well. In fact, in my experience, using TeX for math formulas (I did a semester's worth of calculus notes in LaTeX) is actually faster than writing them out by hand (\unless I give up on trying to make the result readable at all, and maybe even then. Admittedly, graphs and illustrations were an issue. In fact, I basically didn't bother with either. But just for…

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Re: Collusion - iPad pen productivity solved

#25

Post by learc83 »

slantyyz wrote: post #21
flyosity wrote: post #5

The video still shows a lot of lag between when the stylus touches the glass and the pixels in the app show the pen trail. This needs to be heavily optimized or else it will make their hardware a lot of engineering work for nothing and users won't be happy. At this stage, from the video, it looks to have similar latency as other existing iPad sketch apps and those have no hardware dongle or stylus (and cost $100 less…

It's a neat idea, but the lag is a dealbreaker for me. I've been looking/waiting for a pen based note-taking solution, even if it's a unitasking solution, to get rid of the heavy hardcover sketchbook in my briefcase. My use case is simple, I just want a digital copy of my notes -- I don't need any OCR or anything fancy like that, and I'm not convinced that a LiveScribe is the way to go. I had high hopes for the NoteS…

Have you seen the wacom inkling? http://www.wacom.com/en/products/inkling.aspx

Re: Collusion - iPad pen productivity solved

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Post by slantyyz »

learc83 wrote: post #25
slantyyz wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a neat idea, but the lag is a dealbreaker for me. I've been looking/waiting for a pen based note-taking solution, even if it's a unitasking solution, to get rid of the heavy hardcover sketchbook in my briefcase. My use case is simple, I just want a digital copy of my notes -- I don't need any OCR or anything fancy like that, and I'm not convinced that a LiveScribe is the way to go. I had high hopes for the NoteS…

Have you seen the wacom inkling? http://www.wacom.com/en/products/inkling.aspx

The Inkling looks interesting. The Verge gave it a 6.8, which isn't too too reassuring.

The thing with the smart pens is that they're chunkier than I'm used to, and then I worry about the smoothness of the pens.

I know the LiveScribe doesn't have gel based ink refills, which is basically the only type of pen I write with. I find the friction from normal ball point pens a little uncomfortable.

Re: Collusion - iPad pen productivity solved

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Post by chadv »

Lerc wrote: post #14
artursapek wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, I remember this. Worth noting that his device is a projector putting the image on a screen, and I think it's got a lot more computing power behind it than an iPad has available.

The current latency isn't a CPU issue though. I'm not sure of the refresh rate of the iPad (60Hz?) but the hardware has no trouble updating the display in a single frame. It should be noted that unless Microsoft had a 1000Hz display running, there was something fishy going on with their 1ms update.

It's a custom display purpose built for this demo. I believe that it is 1000Hz.

Re: Collusion - iPad pen productivity solved

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Post by Centigonal »

slantyyz wrote: post #26
learc83 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the wacom inkling? http://www.wacom.com/en/products/inkling.aspx

The Inkling looks interesting. The Verge gave it a 6.8, which isn't too too reassuring. The thing with the smart pens is that they're chunkier than I'm used to, and then I worry about the smoothness of the pens. I know the LiveScribe doesn't have gel based ink refills, which is basically the only type of pen I write with. I find the friction from normal ball point pens a little uncomfortable.

You should honestly consider purchasing a fountain pen. They work via capillary action, which means that they write on contact -- no pressure needed. At all.

Some good starters are the LAMY Safari, the TWSBI 540, and the Kaweco Sport. All of these cost I, too, used to think gel pens were the bomb, but writing with a fountain pen is just something else. :D

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