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Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

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Re: Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

#21
As a startup person, I agree 100% with this. I would never ask for spec work. If I want to know how somebody will do, I'll look at their portfolio.

If they don't have one or if it doesn't give me enough info, then I would either A) ask them to do a small paid project, or B) have them do some small bit of work that isn't something my company can use, and therefore would be a good portfolio piece in the future. I'd prefer A, but could see doing B as an interview-ish thing.

Re: Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

#22
Spec work will not go away. It sells itself on hope. It gives hope to a designer without other means of making an income that he/she can have a chance of winning the work. There is a place for spec work that cannot be completely annihilated.

What startups need to understand is that by asking "how cheap can I be", they are short changing themselves the true value that a designer can bring to their team: true creativity.

Building the right design for your product requires a process of communication, of revision, of going back-and-forth, of synergetic teamwork. Because the job of a designer is to think of the things, use cases, scenarios, etc., that you haven't and wouldn't have thought of without his/her help, and then design up your product to be better than what you had imagined. That's the true value of creativity will differentiate your product. This creativity cannot be bought through an one-way-communication - spec work.

There are 6561 photography iPhone apps and only 1 Instagram. Design is not a commodity. Startups should ask themselves if they want to be like Instagram or the 6560 other photography apps in deciding whether to invest in design.

Re: Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

#23

I have no trouble with the concept of spec work as a way of judging ability, but I do have a problem with it being approached the wrong way. I recently applied to join a YC-funded startup as their UX designer. We had a lot of discussion back and forth, and went through several (very fun) interviews. Then, after we'd all met and gotten along very well, and they liked my background, they asked for a spec design. The sp…

It's also disingenuous to treat UX as a one-shot deal. In the real world, there is indeed back-and-forth and committment to the positives contained in the earlier deliverable. That they just took your work and denied your efforts should reflect very badly on both their processes and practice.

I think that while you think they're good people/company/etc., jobwise you probably dodged a bullet here. It simply displays poor ethics on their part.

Lastly, paying a prospect for their time in this context is indeed something 37Signals has talked about working well for them. Pity it wasn't these guys.

Re: Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

#25

I have no trouble with the concept of spec work as a way of judging ability, but I do have a problem with it being approached the wrong way. I recently applied to join a YC-funded startup as their UX designer. We had a lot of discussion back and forth, and went through several (very fun) interviews. Then, after we'd all met and gotten along very well, and they liked my background, they asked for a spec design. The sp…

There's no excuse for wasting your time like this; one can only assume they didn't or don't know how to properly evaluate a design candidate, so they compensated for their inexperience by taking advantage of you. Unprofessional to say the least.

You're right -- the appropriate and respectful thing to do would've been to bring you aboard as a contract-to-hire, and if things didn't work out, let you go -- after properly paying you for your time and product. If you can afford to hire someone, you can certainly afford the fractional (and risk-free) cost of trying them out.

Re: Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You imply good design cannot be had at places like 99designs. I find that unfair, and a bit conceited.

Citation needed on the implied good designs. The two people I knew that used the site as 'designers' were doing so as a means to dip their feet into graphic design. They were using it to see if they even had a chance in the industry. I'm not saying good design can't be had, but when you're competing with people that are putting zero experience behind their work and they beat you out on subjectivism alone, it leaves a…

When Fog Creek needed a logo for Kiln, we went to 99designs and asked for a buddy for our goofy looking kiwi. We got a goofy looking dodo. Pretty much exactly what we wanted. I wasn't directly involved, but from what I know, I would totally use them again.

Re: Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

#27
post #20

While I agree with the overall message of the article, one facet that is not mentioned is that spec work offers an opportunity for less-experienced people to showcase their talent and compensate for a less extensive portfolio.

OP here. Irrespective of a lacking portfolio, spec work should not be encouraged. If you need work to build your portfolio, you can still find some less than favorable jobs (that at the very least pay). If that's not enticing, work on a personal project that interests you (doesn't have to be a startup or unique, just something you'd like to build).

It's important to note: building a portfolio takes time. Building a reputation takes even more time. Taking on spec work only lowers the value of your work/reputation. Once upon a time I felt the same way, but by saying "no" now, you're saying "yes" to a lot later.

Re: Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

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I'm curious to know what others think of using services such as 99designs, a kind of spec work market place. Most designers absolutely hate it [1]. [1] http://www.no-spec.com/archives/tag/99designs/

If you have no problem entrusting your software architecture and development to someone on oDesk, then yes, you will have no problem entrusting your design work to someone at 99designs.

Re: Startups: Quit Asking for Spec Work

#29

Spec work will not go away. It sells itself on hope. It gives hope to a designer without other means of making an income that he/she can have a chance of winning the work. There is a place for spec work that cannot be completely annihilated. What startups need to understand is that by asking "how cheap can I be", they are short changing themselves the true value that a designer can bring to their team: true creativit…

Are there really 3^8 photo apps or did you just pull that number out of the air? Also, why do you know my ATM PIN?
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