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AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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If the size could shrink to the size of a small earplug, I'd love to use this as a person who is not hearing-impaired (at least they couldn't diagnose me with it, so now I'm not sure if their diagnostics sucks, or I'm just a normal person and others pretend better that they hear everything well) . In groups and with friends, it's inevitable that you end up in a busy restaurant or a bar, and it always frustrates me th…

I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

I can’t find the article now but I read that there’s actually 2 kinds of deafness, auditory deafness and signal processing deafness.

Not sure if audiologists phoning it in will know how to test for the latter

Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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I'll bet they achieve commercial success with the reverse application. Imagine being able to mute that one obnoxiously loud person with an annoying voice at a party!

That one person who laughs so loud it's painful even though I'm 15 feet away, and they laugh like 3x per minute continuously... drives me up the wall. Yeah, I'd definitely appreciate a way to tune them out!

Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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If the size could shrink to the size of a small earplug, I'd love to use this as a person who is not hearing-impaired (at least they couldn't diagnose me with it, so now I'm not sure if their diagnostics sucks, or I'm just a normal person and others pretend better that they hear everything well) . In groups and with friends, it's inevitable that you end up in a busy restaurant or a bar, and it always frustrates me th…

I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

I'll first ask the question of do you remember if you had any ear infections as a child - and were they painful at all?

It sounds like that audiologist still wasn't specialized enough - otherwise I feel like your story would have extended differently; high demand mainstream audiologists, including the mainstream audiologist profession, don't seem to have a certain lineage of knowledge that I dramatically benefit from first when I was 23 (now 41), when I was in essentially a high-functioning Asperger's state - to where my hearing had devolved into a hyperacusis state - a severe hypersensitivity to sound - but where prior to that I had the same symptoms of difficulty with conversation, and busy rooms with lots of noise was extremely mentally draining-fatiguing, not realizing it was putting my mind on overdrive drying to actively focus and hone in on sounds vs. it autonomously happening.

Have you ever heard of Berard AIT (Auditory Integration Training/Therapy) or the Tomatis method? There's a book on the sound therapies called "Hearing Equals Behavior: Updated and Expanded."

There's a non-standard audiogram to check for imbalances in the hearing. The standard audiogram is they just pick say 30 Dbs volume and check various frequencies in each ear at that frequency, and if you can hear that - then "great!" The non-standard audiogram checking for imbalances checks for HOW LOW-QUIET of a sound you can hear at different frequencies, and interestingly, with 100% accuracy you can predict a set of behaviours that a person will have if they have an imbalance at certain frequencies like 1000 Hz; not all frequencies have associated behaviours with them.

An example of an imbalance would be if at 1000 Hz in your left ear the lowest sound you could hear was 15 Dbs, but in right ear you could hear at 10 Dbs - an imbalance of 5 Dbs, but where the idea is that the body-brain-mind is a system of finding homeostasis and equilibrium, so it should be able to have it so sounds are heard at the same level - evenly, save for actual physical damage. This is just a simple example and there can be high peaks and valleys that show up in the non-standard audiogram.

I have a similar story as yours. My issues with sound were almost identified in Grade 2 when going from a kindergarten setting, where there were no real performance or attention expectations, to Grade 2. The teacher noted I was having trouble paying attention. They thought maybe I had hearing issues, it was a private school and so they brought in an audiologist. My hearing was fantastic! So indeed, unfortunately, 30+ years ago especially they didn't consider that my hearing could be "too good" - where sound was overwhelming me; so I was hypersensitive to sound, arguably hyposensitive to touch and other senses, and it was medications in my late teens and early 20s that caused my hearing to get super hypersensitive - to the point where I was in what I consider a torture state for 8 months - where even the sound of blinking was painful, or at least that was the sensory I was associating the pain with - until I was forced to do my own research and eventually stumbled into Berard AIT.

There's also pre-care questionnaires that some practitioners offer - a checklist for behaviour of a child, and also of an adult, where I had ~80% of the behaviours both as a child and as an adult, e.g. preferred to sit in the back or corner of a classroom, essentially as there'd be less directions noise would be coming from, had trouble relaying a story or following instructions, etc.

Adult checklist: https://www.aithelps.com/auditory_care_adults.php

Child checklist: https://www.aithelps.com/auditory_care.php

NOTE: these places started offering "home programs" to send some audio equipment and the specially modified music, however I won't personally trust them until I've had the chance to do what I'd consider to be thoroughly done research to compare the original high-quality sound equipment that would produce the absolute highest quality of frequencies vs. what the rentable-shippable equipment produces.

Someday I need to write a chapter of a book or perhaps a whole book on my experiences of it all - the before and after state, the blocked development process (e.g. autistic state) that got unblocked and the development process that began to unlock - essentially I was blocked from processing emotions properly, so I arguably had a lifelong backlog of unprocessed memories with emotions associated with them needing to be labeled to be organized, as well as PTSD from many very intense traumatic years.

Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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Before getting all excited that your ML model runs on your brand new 2024 macbook, before you run off to create earbuds / hearing aids with it, please try to run it on-target and see whether your model runs within your runtime budget / power budget / device size budget / battery life budget.

And make sure if you're going to do bluetooth + wireless, remember that both bluetooth and wifi transmit on 2.4 GHz, and need to coordinate in order to coexist in the same IoT device. There are interconnects and wire protocols to connect the bluetooth and wifi chips together - or, preferably, you buy a chip that does both.

Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

There’s something called Auditory Processing Disorder where you are not able to able to differentiate sound and it supposedly can develop later in life. I’ve had it since I was a kid because I always passed the hearing tests but every other kid had no trouble listening to music and understanding the words and so on so I put two and two together. Anyway, I have never been able to understand anyone in any loud public s…

My reply here may be useful to you - where I mention Berard AIT (Auditory Integration Training) and my own experience with hearing difficulties, which I was able to solve with AIT at age 23 (now 41): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40516028

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There’s something called Auditory Processing Disorder where you are not able to able to differentiate sound and it supposedly can develop later in life. I’ve had it since I was a kid because I always passed the hearing tests but every other kid had no trouble listening to music and understanding the words and so on so I put two and two together. Anyway, I have never been able to understand anyone in any loud public s…

Thank you for the name of this disorder and link! I've also had this my whole life, and I knew it was a thing that wasn't terribly rare (based on reading comments from others in the past, here on HN and elsewhere), but I think this is the first time I've seen a name for this condition. The Wikipedia page seems to really describe my condition, except for the potential overlap with ADHD. For example, the "difficulty fo…

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I like these best for low cost plugs. Howard Leight LL-1 Laser LiteUncorded Foam Earplugs Box, 200 Pair https://a.co/d/3REDT7l

Ha! I bought the same box literally a month ago, this listing ships Prime and costs a little less: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007XJOLG Those are great for the workshop, but they're flourescent green and pink. That makes it easy to see when someone's wearing them, which is good in a shop but usually bad in social settings.

You could apply makeup to them. I mainly use them for sleep or in office when I want to focus so the colour helps in the office.

Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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If the size could shrink to the size of a small earplug, I'd love to use this as a person who is not hearing-impaired (at least they couldn't diagnose me with it, so now I'm not sure if their diagnostics sucks, or I'm just a normal person and others pretend better that they hear everything well) . In groups and with friends, it's inevitable that you end up in a busy restaurant or a bar, and it always frustrates me th…

I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

> I could hear so well I was unable to differentiate sound; my hearing hadn’t gotten worse, my brain’s ability to separate sound had.

Is there a name for this condition?

Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

> ...restaurant and public space designers have stopped thinking about sound. Theory: The bars and restaurants want young patrons, so the poor acoustics are a selection mechanism. Only young people can converse there, so older folks stay away. The place gets reputation as “young and hip.” Whether by conscious design or “natural selection” for establishments, this seems to be the case.

have seen this at many house parties. The young people gravitate towards the noise while the older ones clump up around the periphery

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I think this is the wildest “I guess I’m” old moment I’ve experienced… Do people wear headphones at parties?

I guess you’re not old enough. This sounds like a feature for hearing aids.

When you’re old you can just turn them off entirely. Who’s you got talking to you at a party you want to hear anyway?
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