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The rise of the disposable car

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Re: The rise of the disposable car

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https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/research-analysis/avera... The opposite. With cars reaching much more advanced ages today, when a collision happens it's a write-off. The modern car isn't 'disposable'. In fact, all statistics point to us holding onto cars longer today than ever before. Today's cars are the most durable that they've ever been.

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Re: The rise of the disposable car

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https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/research-analysis/avera... The opposite. With cars reaching much more advanced ages today, when a collision happens it's a write-off. The modern car isn't 'disposable'. In fact, all statistics point to us holding onto cars longer today than ever before. Today's cars are the most durable that they've ever been.

The OP's article was careful to make this distinction, and I think it's very interesting (as well as being the crucial point of the article). Cars are now more reliable and last longer, but when they do develop a problem, it's less economically viable to repair them.

The definition of 'Totaled' is when a comparable car on the used market can replace your vehicle for less than or equal to the repair costs.

As such, it makes no sense to repair a totaled vehicle. You should instead buy a comparable used vehicle.

But saying the word 'Disposable' is pretty bad with regards to the headline. It doesn't capture the full effect of what the stats are showing. That is, we are all keeping vehicles for longer. Longer miles, longer life.

Repair costs for old vehicles always grows as old parts tend to be harder to find (factories have shifted production to newer vehicles. So you are forced to look for scrap). Meanwhile, older cars lose more and more value as they age.

Re: The rise of the disposable car

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Tangential but related: There are full parking lots with brand new cars that go under press or get disassembled for parts because dealership don’t want sell them at a cheaper prices. https://www.costulessdirect.com/blog/where-brand-new-unsold-... From article: > the unsold cars that are older than two years old, will have no alternative but to be either crushed, dismantled and/or their parts recycled. Want to see for…

Every day in the United States, a large number of cars are being produced. Most of these cars never get sold to customers because people just can’t afford them. Oh yes, that makes perfect sense, every day they make 100 cars and then scrap more than 50 of them. The car manufacturing industry can’t stop producing new automobiles because they would have to close their factories and lay off thousands of their workers. Ri…

Yeah, I thought the actual premise was interesting (I'm sure there is a good amount of unsold inventory that is recycled/destroyed/etc., just like in any goods industry) and was interested to learn more about the mechanics of the process, but that article was just ridiculous - 0 actual numbers and it felt like it was written by a third grader.

Re: The rise of the disposable car

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I live in Phoenix and now take Waymo regularly, and it seems like we're close to a world in which most people take self-driving cars most of the time, crash rates plummet, and these kinds of articles come to resemble articles from 1910 about horse-related problems. Humans suck at driving: https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/16/maybe-cars-are-just-reall...

Define "close."

(Anecdotally, I'm outside Harrisburg, and there are no self-driving cars in... this state? People drive their cars just like cave people did, with their hands on the wheel!)

Of note, the article mentions your sentiment near the conclusion:

> Perhaps one day we’ll all whizz around in self-driving cars and accidents will be rare. But that’s still a ways off.

Re: The rise of the disposable car

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I live in Phoenix and now take Waymo regularly, and it seems like we're close to a world in which most people take self-driving cars most of the time, crash rates plummet, and these kinds of articles come to resemble articles from 1910 about horse-related problems. Humans suck at driving: https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/16/maybe-cars-are-just-reall...

I welcome self driving technology when they become available, but from a system perspective, cars and car related infrastructure imposed tremendous cost on our environment and urban fabric.

Re: The rise of the disposable car

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Tangential but related: There are full parking lots with brand new cars that go under press or get disassembled for parts because dealership don’t want sell them at a cheaper prices. https://www.costulessdirect.com/blog/where-brand-new-unsold-... From article: > the unsold cars that are older than two years old, will have no alternative but to be either crushed, dismantled and/or their parts recycled. Want to see for…

FWIW, Snopes says that story is false.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/unsold-cars/

Re: The rise of the disposable car

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post #9

I live in Phoenix and now take Waymo regularly, and it seems like we're close to a world in which most people take self-driving cars most of the time, crash rates plummet, and these kinds of articles come to resemble articles from 1910 about horse-related problems. Humans suck at driving: https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/16/maybe-cars-are-just-reall...

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Re: The rise of the disposable car

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Tangential but related: There are full parking lots with brand new cars that go under press or get disassembled for parts because dealership don’t want sell them at a cheaper prices. https://www.costulessdirect.com/blog/where-brand-new-unsold-... From article: > the unsold cars that are older than two years old, will have no alternative but to be either crushed, dismantled and/or their parts recycled. Want to see for…

Please, set this clickbait car insurance ad on fire, and blackhole whatever "source" you got this from so it doesn't push junk on you again.

Re: The rise of the disposable car

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post #9

I live in Phoenix and now take Waymo regularly, and it seems like we're close to a world in which most people take self-driving cars most of the time, crash rates plummet, and these kinds of articles come to resemble articles from 1910 about horse-related problems. Humans suck at driving: https://jakeseliger.com/2019/12/16/maybe-cars-are-just-reall...

Phoenix doesn't really have the related weather concerns of the midwest which allow Waymo to flourish in your state.
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