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AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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Post by 1123581321 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #213
ceejayoz wrote: post #189

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I've got a similar thing; I can't pull most song lyrics out of the song, and any significant amount of background noise means lip reading for me. Hearing's all fine, it's the processing that doesn't work quite right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_processing_disorder

Ditto here. An audiologist recommended something called LACE therapy, but it wasn't cheap so at the time I didn't go for it - I need to look into it, and see if it's a legitimate treatment for this, or snake-oil.

I would not say it's snake oil, but it will only help if you've learned some helplessness or are bad at thinking about what someone is saying while they are speaking. A hearing aid or filter is always going to be more helpful if you only can pick one treatment.

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Post by j33zusjuice »

superultra wrote: post #185
serial_dev wrote: post #162

If the size could shrink to the size of a small earplug, I'd love to use this as a person who is not hearing-impaired (at least they couldn't diagnose me with it, so now I'm not sure if their diagnostics sucks, or I'm just a normal person and others pretend better that they hear everything well) . In groups and with friends, it's inevitable that you end up in a busy restaurant or a bar, and it always frustrates me th…

I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

Have you tried earplugs like Loop or Eargasm? I’ve considered them for a while, but never pulled the trigger. Reddit seemed to prefer Loops to Eargasms.

I actually find foam earplugs make voices easier to hear. I can have conversations during concerts with them somehow, in fact. So I figure if foam earplugs can do that for me, then earplugs designed to block only unwanted noise are probably even better.

Case in point, I was recently at a Swans concert—-they play very long sets, like 3 hours—-and my back got tight, so I started stretching. I heard someone 20 ft away talking shit! They said, “yeah, I guess you can do your Pilates here.” I finished the stretch and then heard, “oh, I guess he was just stretching.”

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #151
KaiserPro wrote: post #92

One thing that the HN crowd should appreciate is just how expensive and shit hearing aids are. go and look the up the price, they are deeply expensive, even for basic "make it louder" type aids. Worse still, because they interfere with your ear, you tend to loose the ability to "steer" your hearing. This means that you can't tune out other conversations/noises or stuff. The one good side effect of facebook spending b…

> they are deeply expensive Like, $50,000. I'm hoping that removing the need for prescription ones, will allow the price to go down significantly. As an older person, I have noticed that my hearing has gotten "louder," over the years. I still hear dB levels fine. The problem is that I hear all the noise. I used to be able to hold conversations in loud environments (like bar/restaurants), being able to hear the other…

Just to be clear.

Looks like I’m wrong, making a general statement, based on anecdotal information.

We’ll have to see what the future holds for us.

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Post by kk6mrp »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #216
0_____0 wrote: post #206

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If the SNR is already low enough that you're having issues discerning speech, lowering the volume won't help.

Lowering the volume can help with the SNR, because neither the signal, the noise, nor the lowering effect caused by earplugs are consistent with respect to frequency. Highly objectionable, harsh 4-8 kHz noise that might echo around a concrete and steel venue is blocked well by good earplugs, while low-frequency 100-400 Hz speech is ineffectively blocked.

Do you have a good earplug recommendation?

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Post by gertlex »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #277
gertlex wrote: post #259

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Maybe you're thinking about the costs of getting a cochlear implant? Having worn hearing aids for 3 decades (in the US), and not going cheap, the high end name-brand ones have always been about 4-6k for a pair. (and most of the time growing up, health insurance didn't cover it) From everything I've ever seen or in any conversation online, 50k is either a misremembered or made up number for BTE or in-the-canal hearing…

You are correct. I have a profoundly deaf friend with cochlear aids. They are a lot more expensive. Thanks so much for the comment.

Glad to help! At my recent audiologist appointment, it escalated to being suggested that I go for a cochlear implant consultation for one of my ears (I figured why not, despite not personally thinking this was something I'd do any time soon). Apparently it's actually quite possibly mostly covered by my health insurance due to showing medical necessity...

I'm fortunate that I could reasonably plan to pay for it myself... the bigger hold-up/concern/issue has been the drastic change in "how I hear" that it would involve. (experiences are widely variable it sounds like, but loosely about a year for the brain to gradually learn and improve how it uses the new input?)

I haven't even opened the manufacturers' books given to me, or done more research on the possibility since that appointment though...

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Post by [deleted] »

KaiserPro wrote: post #92

One thing that the HN crowd should appreciate is just how expensive and shit hearing aids are. go and look the up the price, they are deeply expensive, even for basic "make it louder" type aids. Worse still, because they interfere with your ear, you tend to loose the ability to "steer" your hearing. This means that you can't tune out other conversations/noises or stuff. The one good side effect of facebook spending b…

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Post by ttpphd »

cushychicken wrote: post #182

I used to work at Sonos, long before their current app update debacle and headphone debut. During the first aborted product effort to develop headphones, we were looking at a conceptual feature similar to this - selectively allowing people’s voices through the ANC chipset. I don’t recall the exact approach the DSP folks were using (I was closer to the hardware for ANC) but they were really only able to figure out how…

If you read the paper, nothing has changed. They still depend on the target talker not having competing co located sounds or voice.

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Post by throwup238 »

noSyncCloud wrote: post #275
throwup238 wrote: post #226

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At least livestock gets to grow up in pasture before they’re sent to the feedlots.

This is, in fact, not always common. I guess it probably depends on the country/region to some extent.

I was thinking of cattle but totally forgot about pigs and chickens.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

vidarh wrote: post #276
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #151

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> they are deeply expensive Like, $50,000. I'm hoping that removing the need for prescription ones, will allow the price to go down significantly. As an older person, I have noticed that my hearing has gotten "louder," over the years. I still hear dB levels fine. The problem is that I hear all the noise. I used to be able to hold conversations in loud environments (like bar/restaurants), being able to hear the other…

That's utterly insane, and I suspect probably some outlier particularly expensive ones. You can book a fitting, and buy a choice of hearing aids, get trained, follow up, and 5 years worth of checks ups and appointments in London privately with no insurance ranging from ca $1300 to $5000. I've not even found any higher than $5k when I searched for prices in London, though I'm sure some of the Harley Street clinics wil…

You are correct. I was thinking of cochlear aids.
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