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AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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One thing that the HN crowd should appreciate is just how expensive and shit hearing aids are. go and look the up the price, they are deeply expensive, even for basic "make it louder" type aids. Worse still, because they interfere with your ear, you tend to loose the ability to "steer" your hearing. This means that you can't tune out other conversations/noises or stuff. The one good side effect of facebook spending b…

Instead of fancy shmancy AI, could a pupil tracker on eyeglasses be used to estimate where a person wants to hear and use phasing to amplify the signal from there?

You have two microphones already, spaced about 30 cm apart...

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If the size could shrink to the size of a small earplug, I'd love to use this as a person who is not hearing-impaired (at least they couldn't diagnose me with it, so now I'm not sure if their diagnostics sucks, or I'm just a normal person and others pretend better that they hear everything well) . In groups and with friends, it's inevitable that you end up in a busy restaurant or a bar, and it always frustrates me th…

I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

> restaurant and public space designers have stopped thinking about sound. Most bars opened in the last 15 years have cement floors, very little sound insulation, and they’re based on the idea that you’re not having a good time unless your ears are ringing.

Recently listened to a really good podcast about this phenomenon https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gastropod/id918896288?... (or pick your favorite podcast app)

Couple takeaways I remember:

- "Silence is the new luxury" -- restaurants can have good sound design, but it doesn't come cheap. Upscale restaurants are starting to differentiate themselves with sound design

- The modern clean aesthetic (glass, concrete, stainless steel, minimalism) promotes loud, echo'ey spaces

- "You're not having a good time unless your ears are ringing" was an intentional design choice popularized by some restaurant guru in the 90's. Growing awareness of the problems is starting to create a backlash

- Loud restaurants are damaging for the waitstaff's health. You can work for hours in an environment so loud that OSHA would demand hearing protection.

- The luxury sound design studios can be so good at isolating ambient noise that they also sell an "anti-noise-cancelling" sound system that actually selectively re-amplifies crowd noise for when you do want to tune up some sense of busy-ness (with too much sound dampening in an unfilled room, it starts to feel too isolated... being "out and about" is some of the reason people go out dining)

Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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If the size could shrink to the size of a small earplug, I'd love to use this as a person who is not hearing-impaired (at least they couldn't diagnose me with it, so now I'm not sure if their diagnostics sucks, or I'm just a normal person and others pretend better that they hear everything well) . In groups and with friends, it's inevitable that you end up in a busy restaurant or a bar, and it always frustrates me th…

I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

Not to act like an arm-chair doctor but have you ever considered that you may be on the ASD spectrum?

That function of being able to mentally 'filter out' specific voices within a crowd is (semi?) common signal of autism. More accurately; I'm like that and I am autistic, I've read that it happens to a lot of others.

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I resorted to wearing earplugs for several years when I was going out more. I felt it did very little to reduce my ability to hear conversations, and it made the whole experience overall so much more pleasant.

If the SNR is already low enough that you're having issues discerning speech, lowering the volume won't help.

That's not entirely true, if you're selectively lowering the volume of different frequencies it might solve the problem. The only problem with that is that earplugs tend to reduce high frequencies more than low frequencies, but background noise is mostly low frequencies. Earplugs might help you hear people in a machine shop with a lot of high frequency noises though.

Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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post #192

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I could not hear anyone in any crowded situation. At middle age I thought my hearing was leaving. Yet every audiologist I went to said my hearing was fine. So I found the best audiologist in my fairly large metro area, and scheduled a year in advance (the wait list was that long). After a whole day of tests the audiologist comes in and says I have good news and bad news and good bad news. The good news is that my hea…

I resorted to wearing earplugs for several years when I was going out more. I felt it did very little to reduce my ability to hear conversations, and it made the whole experience overall so much more pleasant.

I've done this too and it helps tremendously.

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Modern hearing aids are pretty cool. They've crammed in an amazing amount of features in a super tiny form factor, with a battery that lasts for a week even when using bluetooth. My Phonaks have the ability to automatically switch programs to some extent, and to fine tune the program using a companion app. I can function and even have conversations to some extent in noisy environments, something that would have been…

> Meanwhile, I hope the trend of playing louder and louder music in cafes, restaurants and bars dies out. I don't hold out much hope because as far as I can tell it's done to make everyone "shut up and drink". I could believe it adds at least 50% to sales because when you can't hear a word anyone says, all you can do is smile and nod and take a swig. And if the place is already full anyway, they don't care if you lea…

Not just restaurants and bars. Artificial sounds is everywhere.

There was a musician (fairly accomplished in his field) who woke up one day and started hating all music because he realized you cannot escape it. He wrote a book about it but I forget his name.

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They don't cost 50k. They cost at least an order of magnitude less. My moms hearing aids cost 3000€. They support bluetooth so she can use them with her iPhone. The price includes hearing tests, getting molds of the hearing canal, all the setup and configuration performed by skilled technicians. Sure they are expensive, but there really isn't much of an opportunity for disruption. Customized hardware is expensive, th…

I live in the US. I noticed that someone else posted a comment, saying that Americans exaggerate medical costs. We don't. Our doctors drive Bentleys. I'm really glad that they have broken the monopoly. Maybe some politicians retrieved their souls. It's absolutely insane how expensive healthcare is in the US. But THANK GOD we don't have socialism! /s

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Re: AI headphones let wearer listen to a single person in a crowd by looking at them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't cost 50k. They cost at least an order of magnitude less. My moms hearing aids cost 3000€. They support bluetooth so she can use them with her iPhone. The price includes hearing tests, getting molds of the hearing canal, all the setup and configuration performed by skilled technicians. Sure they are expensive, but there really isn't much of an opportunity for disruption. Customized hardware is expensive, th…

I live in the US. I noticed that someone else posted a comment, saying that Americans exaggerate medical costs. We don't. Our doctors drive Bentleys. I'm really glad that they have broken the monopoly. Maybe some politicians retrieved their souls. It's absolutely insane how expensive healthcare is in the US. But THANK GOD we don't have socialism! /s

> I noticed that someone else posted a comment, saying that Americans exaggerate medical costs.

In this case, I agree that your earlier post exaggerates the cost of hearing aids in the US.

For example, [1] quotes a top price of $3500/ear. That makes $7000 total. A page full of search results [2] will tell you that prices are in ranges like $1-6k each. Even the hearing aid producers are quoting those prices. [3]

[1] https://www.hearinglife.com/hearing-aids/prices

[2] https://www.google.com/search?q=united+states+hearing+aid+pr...

[3] https://www.miracle-ear.com/hearing-aids/cost

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