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The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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post #23

This is like an arsonist lighting an orphanage or library on fire. Why would you do something like that?

To sell your services as an arsonist. Being able to point to a big successful attack helps professional DDoSers sell their services.

I don't understand, what prevents them from running to your competition if you dont mark your brand?

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#172

archive-it.org is still working

#!/bin/sh read x; tnftp -4o/dev/stdout http://wayback.archive-it.org/all/20250000000000/$x # (TLS forward proxy listening on port 80)

Example:

https://wayback.archive-it.org/all/20240506083041/https://ar...

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#173
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I think there might be valid arguments to support that claim, that blog post hardly qualifies. The author runs a gambling site and while the way Cloudflare handled the situation (according to the author) could certainly be improved, they clearly were affecting other users by "tainting" shared IPs.

And yet if they ponied up the money, that issue of "tainting" shared IPs suddenly goes away. You can bet CloudFlare would graciously give the gambling site as much time as they need to bring their own IP (they went out of their way to link third party sellers of IPs with dubious provenance, after all).

Did you read the blog post? It doesn't include the entire correspondence so it's not clear how explicit Cloudflare was about this but the Enterprise plan they were trying to upsell them includes BYOIP. It's clear to me that Cloudflare insisted they buy the enterprise plan because it includes BYOIP.

So in other words, Cloudflare noticed the author was running a gambling site, they decided that this was negatively impacting the shared IPs and the author would therefore need to upgrade to a plan that included BYOIP because they would need to use that feature to continue using Cloudflare and they likely insisted on prepayment for the annual plan because gambling sites have a reputation for being flaky and prepaying would have demonstrated the liquidity necessary to continue operating the site at that plan.

Again, Cloudflare could have communicated this better (and maybe they did in parts of the correspondence the author didn't share) but this all seems perfectly understandable, especially given how the sales team kept referencing Trust and Safety (implying the alternative is ending the contract for violating the ToS).

The issue of tainting shared IPs would indeed have suddenly gone away had the author brought their own IP (which would have required an Enterprise plan to do while staying on Cloudflare). Instead the author feigns ignorance arguing they don't even need the features of the Enterprise plan and doesn't acknowledge the issue with sharing IPs while sheepishly mentioning that maybe they're accidentally invading bans of their domain in certain countries by having alternative domains which they of course don't actually need because most traffic comes from their main domain yet somehow having these alternative domains is critical to running their business.

What are you even trying to argue here? The author is being deliberately dishonest in how they frame the incident and Cloudflare's motivation is perfectly understandable. The only thing to take offense with is the communication style which we can only judge based on a select few messages the author shows us. We have to rely on their word after they have already demonstrated dishonesty.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#174

This is like an arsonist lighting an orphanage or library on fire. Why would you do something like that?

Because the orphanage refuses to use cloudflare.

Precisely this. There's a reason cloudflare was part of the CIA's incubator. Totally organic growth and didn't have government and spook hands all over it /s.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#175
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh sorry, I guess that makes it a very detailed and well though-out response.

It does, yes. The single word, from that source, on this topic, communicates all relevant information.

Hackernews, it never disappoints.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#177
post #135

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yes please. extra credit for anyone who shares instructions on how to inject this into every website i browse sans blocklist

Keeping a local, searchable record of all web browsing comes up every few months here, but it took me a while to find a lengthier discussion like this one from 2022: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31848210

incredible linkfinding. you deserve 10 upvotes.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#178
post #31
post #30

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> Please don't post shallow dismissals https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The user you're responding to is Jason Scott of TIA.

Which without context that is not given I certainly didn't know, so it isn't safe to expect others to know to. Are we supposed to dig into people's profiles to derive relevant context?

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#179

What are the ways to manage a DDoS attack, preferably using open source? Don't say Cloudflare because they're an extortionist firm.

Cloudflare is not "an extortionist firm". It is a large tech company, where occasionally teams employ shitty sales tactics to meet their numbers, but generally provides a valuable service and acts reasonably ethically. There are open source tools to mitigate DDoS, but all of them will have some marginal cost to run, and they will all be significantly worse than Cloudflare as they benefit from neither Cloudflare's dat…

> Cloudflare is not "an extortionist firm". It is a large tech company, where occasionally teams employ shitty sales tactics to meet their numbers, but generally provides a valuable service and acts reasonably ethically.

Nice.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#180
post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Missed the edit window, but here's the command I use. Newlines added here for clarity. wget-mirror() { wget --mirror --convert-links --adjust-extension --page-requisites \ --no-parent --content-disposition --content-on-error \ --header="Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8" \ --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:129.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/129.0" \ --restrict…

Maybe save the log automatically? And then check and report unsolved errors, at end of the fuction or better separate one so log can be reinspected any time. I have encountered "GnuTLS: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated. Unable to establish SSL connection." multiple times, and retry options seem to be useless when that happens. Some searches suggest it could be related to tls handshake fragmentation, but…

It's weirdly specific but I remember old versions of go caused that error. The final packet (close_notify) to close the connection was set with the wrong error level.
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