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Re: WP21

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Post by joshstrange »

p4bl0 wrote: post #62
graiz wrote: post #20

I wish wordpress did fewer things but did them better. There should be something that is a notch better Jekyll but doesn't get gross when you install a dozen plug-ins. Out of the box wordpress produces a very slow and bandwidth heavy site.

Have you given Dotclear a try?

* Google for “Dotclear”, get the first result with no description (“No information is available for this page. Learn why”) - not a good first impression

* Dotclear website’s theme is ugly verging on purposefully ugly. At least WP default themes look decent

* Click on “About” to see what this runs on (homepage doesn’t tell me), nothing loads. Oh! I have to click one of these header tabs/links, odd… “About” -> “Overview” still doesn’t tell me what language this is written in. Click “Pre-requisite” finally see it’s PHP+(MySQL/Postgres/SQLite)

For software that’s been around since 2003 I kind of expect better and I expect have heard of it since back in 2009-2011-ish I was doing a fair bit of WP development.

Re: WP21

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Post by simonjgreen »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #71

I have come across a situation, where an automatic Wordpress update (need to keep up to date, against vulnerabilities) made a site I maintain violate the law: I used a unicode symbol for something in text. Wordpress out of nowhere and by itself decided, that it would be better to replace that symbol with a bloody svg, that is loaded from some third party. At first I could not believe my eyes, then it dawned on me, ho…

Are you intentionally not mentioning which country and law?

Re: WP21

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Post by TBurette »

What I find remarkable is that multiple people can say 'I am a Wordpress Developer' and it will translate into very different experiences and skillsets.

For some it means clicking around installing theme, plugins then writing the content of pages through the Wordpress admin.

For others it means old school php code to customize Wordpress behaviour with PHP template to write the HTML. This is called classic theme.

For yet other people it means writing JS+React with docker, CI/CD,... This is the new block theme.

Re: WP21

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Post by noduerme »

askonomm wrote: post #66

I just wish WordPress actually adhered to development standards, not actively tried to break them. Using globals everywhere and encouraging spaghetti code with its classic themes, and with its new themes it evidently learned nothing and is encouraging JSON inside HTML comments which obviously has no editor support, is very prone to errors, besides being just plain stupid (like seriously, some senior engineers I assum…

Kill the freelancer? I'm a freelancer and my favorite thing to tell cheap potential clients for the past 15 years is do their site with Wordpress and to go find a Wordpress "expert".

It exists for the broke and the cheap who are under the illusion that they need a simple website, which itself is a dead letter.

Re: WP21

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Post by selfmodruntime »

simonjgreen wrote: post #82
zelphirkalt wrote: post #71

I have come across a situation, where an automatic Wordpress update (need to keep up to date, against vulnerabilities) made a site I maintain violate the law: I used a unicode symbol for something in text. Wordpress out of nowhere and by itself decided, that it would be better to replace that symbol with a bloody svg, that is loaded from some third party. At first I could not believe my eyes, then it dawned on me, ho…

Are you intentionally not mentioning which country and law?

They definitely are and I would bet money it's China.

Re: WP21

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Post by rrreese »

ssalat wrote: post #25

Quick judgments and strong opinions have unfortunately become part of the community. Having spent the last 2-3 months working excessively on WordPress development, I would like to say a word about the excellent isolation of code with blocks ("Gutenberg"). As standalone plugins or in combination with Advanced Custom Fields, these allow for perfect, modular websites and development flows (design system), where even the…

>Quick judgments

I think most peoples judgments have been formed over 21 years. WordPress initially gained a reputation for being a fast and easy way to setup a website, then gained a reputation for being a security nightmare.

Maybe its not anymore but people are right to be sceptical. I sure do see a lot of CVEs in the weekly update I check - maybe they're all low risk, or relate to rarely used plugins.

Re: WP21

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Post by hawski »

simonjgreen wrote: post #82
zelphirkalt wrote: post #71

I have come across a situation, where an automatic Wordpress update (need to keep up to date, against vulnerabilities) made a site I maintain violate the law: I used a unicode symbol for something in text. Wordpress out of nowhere and by itself decided, that it would be better to replace that symbol with a bloody svg, that is loaded from some third party. At first I could not believe my eyes, then it dawned on me, ho…

Are you intentionally not mentioning which country and law?

My bet is EU and making it non-compliant with GDPR.

Re: WP21

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Post by easyThrowaway »

askonomm wrote: post #66

I just wish WordPress actually adhered to development standards, not actively tried to break them. Using globals everywhere and encouraging spaghetti code with its classic themes, and with its new themes it evidently learned nothing and is encouraging JSON inside HTML comments which obviously has no editor support, is very prone to errors, besides being just plain stupid (like seriously, some senior engineers I assum…

If you adhere to development standards your users aren't locked in to your platform. They could move to better working, more manageable CMSes instead of begrudgingly having to pay someone or, better yet, move to your hosted solution to keep the platform from tripping on its own feet.

Unfortunately that could negatively affect your "Our platform powers 43.4% of all websites" marketing pitch.

Re: WP21

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Post by zelphirkalt »

simonjgreen wrote: post #82
zelphirkalt wrote: post #71

I have come across a situation, where an automatic Wordpress update (need to keep up to date, against vulnerabilities) made a site I maintain violate the law: I used a unicode symbol for something in text. Wordpress out of nowhere and by itself decided, that it would be better to replace that symbol with a bloody svg, that is loaded from some third party. At first I could not believe my eyes, then it dawned on me, ho…

Are you intentionally not mentioning which country and law?

GDPR, EU. You cannot simply load third party shit on your website, without asking for consent. By downloading an SVG from a third party provider, I would need to ask the visitor, whether transmitting their IP address is OK or not, since that is personal data. Aside form all the information associated with when someone accesses the site.
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