I love Wordpress. People install it on their own, install dozens of useless, unsecure and buggy plugins ("it's easy, just clic clic clic... I love my admin panel !") and after a while their websites break and then we can charge them for a more secure and resilient solution.
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#32WP is 21 years old, and people on HN still bishing and crying about it. How come no one has offered something that can beat WP in 21 years?
It's more objective if you compare by carbon footprint among others and how you build your site.
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#33To be honest, I never found WordPress easy to use. It's all flowers and rainbows as long as I can find good themes and plugins. However, it starts going south as soon as I need to make a very small custom change.
I switched to ghost, at first it was a bit rough around the edges, but since they made the global cli. It has being quite nice. For blogs, would rather use that than WP. Of course I also prefer JS instead of PHP.
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#34I love Wordpress. People install it on their own, install dozens of useless, unsecure and buggy plugins ("it's easy, just clic clic clic... I love my admin panel !") and after a while their websites break and then we can charge them for a more secure and resilient solution.
They sure made it enticing to install plugins, if not just by putting this UI to the forefront. Also, when images aren’t compressed by default, it’s a perfect alliance with the various SEO analyzers which mandate you to compress them…
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#35I avoided wordpress like a plague. Used stuff like django, flask, grav and who knows what. But recently I had to make a website with lots of unknowns which needed to be authored by dummy users and I just said ** it and went with wordpress.
What I struggled with are: 1) Interesting site design, 2) custom functionality through plugins, 3) making it easy to add pages and blog posts with a nice editor.
I'm glad open source solutions exist, but I swear, they always have drawbacks. Either they are code heavy, plugins are out of date, maintenance takes a lot of time or there is no way to easily design a page.
So for Wordpress I bought Oxygen, for which you can still buy a lifetime license for, and oh my god, even I can make a nice, responsive website without touching code. It's such a game changer.
I think lots of people avoid wordpress because of security. But that is not primarily a wordpress fault. Linux & PHP complicates it a lot. And I'm sure those other open source projects have severe bugs, too, but nobody knows or talks about them.
What could bring down wordpress, imho, are expensive license fees for plugins. Who wants to spend 50 to 100 bucks per year and per page for a builder plugin? Everyone wants one, but no one wants to pay yearly. And it seems that all plugin makers are starting to go that way.
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#36One of the things that strikes me about WordPress is the way that web nerds expect to find it easy and are angered when it is not.
Like everything, it takes learning. It has opinions.
It has some crazy history (I really wish media items were not handled the way they are), but it also has methodology to it.
If I said I know Go and JS and Perl and Java and Ruby and C, and I was enraged that Rust is so hard to learn, I'd be shot down for it, rightly.
WordPress looks like it does a simple job, but actually it's a whole, quite broad platform. You might have to read some documentation for a bit.
And if you've inherited a site using Elementor, ask the people who made it how to change the simple stuff, because they will be able to help.
If you've inherited a site using Visual Composer or Divi... shoot the people who made it.
If you think Gutenberg is bad (it is very much not, now!)... oh man, Divi was a time.
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#38I wish wordpress did fewer things but did them better. There should be something that is a notch better Jekyll but doesn't get gross when you install a dozen plug-ins. Out of the box wordpress produces a very slow and bandwidth heavy site.
If you need a simple site now you barely need any plugins at all. Something for a contact form, maybe.
You do have to lean in slightly to how Gutenberg and Full Site Editing works -- I recommend this amazing documentation site:
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#39To be honest, I never found WordPress easy to use. It's all flowers and rainbows as long as I can find good themes and plugins. However, it starts going south as soon as I need to make a very small custom change.
Initial setup of wordpress is super easy, but it gets very hard to maintain after a while. Updates require manual intervention, themes must be fixed, plugins deprecate. All of this adds a burden I am not willing to accept, which is why I moved all my sites to Hugo/Jekyll/Mkdocs (etc.) since about 2017.
Have you looked at WP-CLI?
A lot of the stuff you want to do can be maintained at the command line. And it even gives you a way to do some fleet management.
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#40I checked it out around the same time Mark Pilgrim moved to it. Movable Type came and went but to their credit they tried a GPL version but sadly OpenMelody never caught on.