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The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#121

Why, what's the point in doing such nonsense? Unless it's someone with lots of money, contacts in the dark web, and some historic Barbara Streisand type chip on the shoulder.

It's probably just some kid with a botnet that's showing off. You all give these people way too much credit, lmao.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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post #105

This is why I’ve gotten into the habit of maintaining my own WWW archive of sites I find interesting. Probably have around 1 TiB now, and One Of These Days I’d like to set my network up so it can serve arbitrary sites directly from local archive to revive any site I want. I have a `wget-mirror` shell function invoking wget with all the trimmings that takes care of 99% of sites. I’ll edit the full command into this co…

Same. I've been scraping PDF'ed magazines, etc. and keeping them locally. In addition to feeding my byte-hoarding tendencies, I like the idea I could be off-grid in my van/RV somewhere and reading a "Popular Electronics" magazine from 1972 on my laptop. (Oh, never mind YouTube videos that I once added to playlists ... that later disappear leaving only holes in my playlists.)

My problem with this approach is that the stuff I want to look at in 10 yrs time is never the stuff I think of saving right now. In the 2000s there were browser extensions I've forgotten the names of (shelf? slogger?) that would automatically save local copies of every webpage on page load. But I don't think they're around anymore and have no idea how you could achieve similar functionality with dynamic pages anyway.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doubt this is coordinated - more likely a singular (m/b)illionaire wanted a post/photo/video, or multiple of, deleted for good, perhaps for suppression of legal evidence, and this was one way of bringing some firepower to a… library. One of the internets biggest libraries too. Odd.

But a ddos doesn't remove the page...

it may prevent its capture in the first place, and it can also prevent consulting the page (a delay tactic)

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've been scraping PDF'ed magazines, etc. and keeping them locally. In addition to feeding my byte-hoarding tendencies, I like the idea I could be off-grid in my van/RV somewhere and reading a "Popular Electronics" magazine from 1972 on my laptop. (Oh, never mind YouTube videos that I once added to playlists ... that later disappear leaving only holes in my playlists.)

My problem with this approach is that the stuff I want to look at in 10 yrs time is never the stuff I think of saving right now. In the 2000s there were browser extensions I've forgotten the names of (shelf? slogger?) that would automatically save local copies of every webpage on page load. But I don't think they're around anymore and have no idea how you could achieve similar functionality with dynamic pages anyway.

> But I don't think they're around anymore and have no idea how you could achieve similar functionality with dynamic pages anyway.

It is probably easiest to save the render as a picture and then store text separately for searchability?

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#127

What are the ways to manage a DDoS attack, preferably using open source? Don't say Cloudflare because they're an extortionist firm.

It's not (just) a case of the software, it's the hardware and the position in the network. These DDoS primarily just saturate your internet pipe: you need to be able to co-ordinate with core ISPs to block the ddos traffic before it concentrates too much.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#128

What are the ways to manage a DDoS attack, preferably using open source? Don't say Cloudflare because they're an extortionist firm.

The only universal way IMHO, is to associate a small cost to every internet request. The cost has to be as small as possible, but it has to be there for million/billion/trillion requests to add up the cost and make it uneconomical to continue the attack past some point. It is the same problem with email spam. What's stopping someone from sending billions of spam mails? If we suppose that: a blockchain exists which is…

This wouldn’t fix anything. Most DDoS attacks today are amplification attacks, e.g. “I sent 10 bytes to this unpatched NTP server and as a result it sends 500 kb to this target server., so in your scheme the costs would not be borne by the attacker.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problem with this approach is that the stuff I want to look at in 10 yrs time is never the stuff I think of saving right now. In the 2000s there were browser extensions I've forgotten the names of (shelf? slogger?) that would automatically save local copies of every webpage on page load. But I don't think they're around anymore and have no idea how you could achieve similar functionality with dynamic pages anyway.

> But I don't think they're around anymore and have no idea how you could achieve similar functionality with dynamic pages anyway. It is probably easiest to save the render as a picture and then store text separately for searchability?

There's a way to get "the best of both worlds" (tbh, works most of the time): print to pdf.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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post #102
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare's "protection" is basically a racket. e.g. https://robindev.substack.com/p/cloudflare-took-down-our-web...

While I think there might be valid arguments to support that claim, that blog post hardly qualifies. The author runs a gambling site and while the way Cloudflare handled the situation (according to the author) could certainly be improved, they clearly were affecting other users by "tainting" shared IPs.

And yet if they ponied up the money, that issue of "tainting" shared IPs suddenly goes away. You can bet CloudFlare would graciously give the gambling site as much time as they need to bring their own IP (they went out of their way to link third party sellers of IPs with dubious provenance, after all).
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