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Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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Back when they were pushing public literacy, reading books was disparaged as a morbid activity. (Sitting unmoving for a long time, staring...) But now everybody does it.

> reading books was disparaged as a morbid activity. (Sitting unmoving for a long time, staring...) And for people that overdid it, it was. The modern sedentary lifestyle starting from that era's combo (office / clerical jobs + stationary entertainment with books and magazines, and later tv and radio). > But now everybody does it. Read books? Nah: If we count only fully-read books, the average American adult reads ju…

Sitting, staring, hours spent consuming symbolic narrative etc, describes some other popular activities that we might mention too, yknow.

Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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If the correlation is proven true then that’s obviously terrible, but I’m in my mid 40s now, tattoo-less, and one of my biggest regrets is not getting a couple tattoos when I was younger. I feel like doing it now looks like a midlife crisis type thing. I always wanted one of those Thai tattoos where they manually tap tap tap the design into your skin with a mallet.

Midlife is when everyone starts doing cool stuff because theyve built up the income to service it Do whatever you like, it’s your life

Yup.

John didn’t buy that classic car because he’s in a midlife crisis. He bought it because it’s been his dream car since he was 12, and, with the kids out of the house, he can finally get it without having a bad conscience. (It just costs $80k now instead of $8k back in 1972)

Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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The problem with these studies is that it is exceedingly difficult to correctly account for all the additional differences between people who do get tattoos and those who don't.

Plus, if you don't find an effect, there is no paper to publish.

So, the proper correction factor is not just to account for the data in this study; scientists would also need to implicitly correct for all the other (unpublished) attempts by other scientists that found no effect.

It's a tricky business for sure and not one with a reasonable solution.

Hence I would not read too much into this study ...

Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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Hair dyes would have similar absorption mechanism right?

No, I believe cancer from hair dyes was caused by touching dye during application. Poisons are volatile, dye is only toxic, while it is drying. Tattoo pigment particles are quite inert.

How do you know they are inert? The ingredients are mostly unstudied and unregulated.

Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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If the correlation is proven true then that’s obviously terrible, but I’m in my mid 40s now, tattoo-less, and one of my biggest regrets is not getting a couple tattoos when I was younger. I feel like doing it now looks like a midlife crisis type thing. I always wanted one of those Thai tattoos where they manually tap tap tap the design into your skin with a mallet.

Do it. Traditional thai tattoos look amazing and are much sharper. Who cares what others thing :)

Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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If the correlation is proven true then that’s obviously terrible, but I’m in my mid 40s now, tattoo-less, and one of my biggest regrets is not getting a couple tattoos when I was younger. I feel like doing it now looks like a midlife crisis type thing. I always wanted one of those Thai tattoos where they manually tap tap tap the design into your skin with a mallet.

I'm almost out of my 40s and I definitely support you in doing whatever you like and not overthinking the midlife crisis thing.

That said, if I had the inkling (pun intended) to get a tattoo I would actually wait until this lymphoma association is verified, because if if it turns to be real, and then I get a lymphoma, I would feel very stupid. But then again, people smoke and do a lot of things that are objectively bad for their health. In short, I would not do it myself, but I would not judge you at all if you did.

Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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I would be surprised if injecting foreign material that stays almost permanently and is released slowly to the rest of the system does not influence the system in some way. Is it cancer, I don't know close enough to say, but I would be surprise if it does nothing.

Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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It would be nice if the study checked whether the higher amount of individuals in the cancer group got their tattoos AFTER they got diagnosed. This may be the case if people are more open to take risky actions following such diagnoses. It would explain why the size of the tattoo didn’t correlate with change of getting cancer. Such conclusion will ultimately disprove the causation.

Re: Possible association between tattoos and lymphoma

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Midlife is when everyone starts doing cool stuff because theyve built up the income to service it Do whatever you like, it’s your life

Yup. John didn’t buy that classic car because he’s in a midlife crisis. He bought it because it’s been his dream car since he was 12, and, with the kids out of the house, he can finally get it without having a bad conscience. (It just costs $80k now instead of $8k back in 1972)

Unrelated, but one of the most interesting graphs I've ever seen was road deaths, by gender and age, when I was studying for my drivers license.

There's a huge, like 10x spike in male deaths, specifically at 50. Turns out a lot of people hit that age, think "oh fuck I'm 50", go and buy a really powerful car, and get in a bad crash.

So buy the car, but just keep the graph in mind haha.

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