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Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by adrianN »

b112 wrote: post #57
adrianN wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three generations ago it was also common to beat your children. I’m not sure that we should base moral arguments on what was common in the past.

No, it was not. It was common to spank your children, out of care and love, when they did things dangerous to themselves or others, and sometimes a strap or switch when something truly horrific was done. We now view this as wrong, but that wasn't beating them. Yes, some idiots did beat their children, or hit their children out of anger. That doesn't mean it was common .

Okay, I believe my argument is not hurt by replacing the word „beat“ with „spank“. Adding that physical punishment was done out of love strengthens my argument, I think.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by smeej »

> ...casting nervous glances at a rooster slowly approaching me like a Weeping Angel.

> Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. They [the Weeping Angels] are fast. Faster than you can believe. Don't turn your back. Don't turn away. And most of all, don't blink.

I know this has nothing to do with the point of the article, but Weeping Angels are exactly the wrong analogy for something approaching slowly!

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by margor »

globular-toast wrote: post #75
margor wrote: post #68

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Because killing farm animals is considered a norm in almost all places who had done that since generations. If you would be surrounded by chickens, livestock and other farm animals and watching them getting butchered was your daily bread as a child, why would you reconsider when you would grow up? It literally put food on your table, and besides home grown farm animals taste A LOT better (speaking from experience, bu…

People keep saying it's normal etc but then you'll notice everywhere it's always the poor people who end up doing the slaughtering while rich people get to pretend it doesn't happen. I'm not sure that being desensitised is a good argument. People can become desensitised to a lot of things, like slavery or other abuse. That doesn't make it ok. The difference is factory farming really. I don't think eating meat is wron…

Fully agreed on factory farming. Not only is it cruel and unethical, but the quality is also much worse making vegetables actually a pretty good alternative.

On that note, let me tell you how home grown vegetables are also a lot better than... ;)

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by thfuran »

ndr wrote: post #46
throwup238 wrote: post #43

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> Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they have an excessive number of offspring. Fowls are among those species. They lay eggs sometimes once a day so their numbers can increase incredibly rapidly. That is an adaptation to high predation. In the absence of that predation, they can overwhelm ecosystems. Red junglefowl, the ancestors to domesticated chickens, only lay a few clutches annually for a total of…

One could argue that is natural adaptation. Modern chickens are likely going to be more successful at propagating their genes into the future.

Only if by natural you mean "not supernatural".

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by Galatians4_16 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #39
globular-toast wrote: post #35

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A lot more people would be veggie if they had to kill the animals themselves. You just wouldn't do it unless you were really hungry, which I doubt anyone on this forum has experienced even once.

Not even 3 generations ago, it was incredibly common for people to slaughter their own farm animals. My grandmother was an old farm woman, raised in the time before refrigeration. She'd slaughter and pluck her own chickens without a second thought. It's entirely a modern phenomenon of global distribution and modern conditioning that lead you to that conclusion. Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they ha…

Just think of how much the environment would benefit if we wouldn't need to run so many refrigerators to eat fresh food…

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by _heimdall »

globular-toast wrote: post #35
tomcam wrote: post #34

I made the mistake of buying chickens as livestock. I fell in love with the day-old chicks the moment we got into the car to take them home. Plan was that 1/3 would become food, 1/3 would die of disease, and the remainder would lay eggs. Unfortunately I lost my taste for chicken. We lost 1/3 due to predators, not disease, despite building a $20,000 chicken run. I was depressed for months. And I have been through some…

A lot more people would be veggie if they had to kill the animals themselves. You just wouldn't do it unless you were really hungry, which I doubt anyone on this forum has experienced even once.

We processed and butchered our first two pigs earlier this year. Its not for the feint of heart, but I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.

We raised them from a few months old (we took them from a farm that was having to close) and did the entire processing and butchering process ourselves. The meat is night and day better than what you can buy in a store, the bacon is delicious, and we know the animal lived an excellent life and had a near instant end.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by tomcam »

pvaldes wrote: post #64
tomcam wrote: post #34

I made the mistake of buying chickens as livestock. I fell in love with the day-old chicks the moment we got into the car to take them home. Plan was that 1/3 would become food, 1/3 would die of disease, and the remainder would lay eggs. Unfortunately I lost my taste for chicken. We lost 1/3 due to predators, not disease, despite building a $20,000 chicken run. I was depressed for months. And I have been through some…

Losing chicken to predators is normal and according to plan. Fortunately they can be multiplied really fast so... If the fox cubs had a good dinner once on a blue moon is not the end of the world or something to be depressed about it.

I know that in my head.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by tomcam »

jen729w wrote: post #42
tomcam wrote: post #34

I made the mistake of buying chickens as livestock. I fell in love with the day-old chicks the moment we got into the car to take them home. Plan was that 1/3 would become food, 1/3 would die of disease, and the remainder would lay eggs. Unfortunately I lost my taste for chicken. We lost 1/3 due to predators, not disease, despite building a $20,000 chicken run. I was depressed for months. And I have been through some…

Yeah! We got a couple of backyard chooks and thought it’d be eggs all the way. Three years later, and we’re taking Belinda ‘the bruiser’ to the vet tomorrow for her second hormone implant. Turns out the ISA Browns that are bred to lay have their insides just destroyed by the constant production. So you can let them die, or you can spend thousands of dollars keeping them alive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I had no idea I’d love chicken…

WHAT IS WRONG WIH US

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by NikkiA »

globular-toast wrote: post #35
tomcam wrote: post #34

I made the mistake of buying chickens as livestock. I fell in love with the day-old chicks the moment we got into the car to take them home. Plan was that 1/3 would become food, 1/3 would die of disease, and the remainder would lay eggs. Unfortunately I lost my taste for chicken. We lost 1/3 due to predators, not disease, despite building a $20,000 chicken run. I was depressed for months. And I have been through some…

A lot more people would be veggie if they had to kill the animals themselves. You just wouldn't do it unless you were really hungry, which I doubt anyone on this forum has experienced even once.

I killed my first chicken when I was ~9 I think, maybe 10 at a push, my dad handed me the axe and said 'have fun'.

Still eat meat.

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