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Big data is dead (2023)

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Re: Big data is dead (2023)

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When I was hiring data scientists for a previous job, my favorite tricky question was "what stack/architecture would you build" with the somewhat detailed requirements of "6 TiB of data" in sight. I was careful not to require overly complicated sums, I simply said it's MAX 6TiB I patiently listened to all the big query hadoop habla-blabla, even asked questions about the financials (hardware/software/license BOM) and…

You have 6 TiB of ram?

Re: Big data is dead (2023)

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post #8

This is not fully correct. Originally big data was defined by 3 dimensions: - Volume (mostly what the author talks about) [solved] - Velocity, how fast data is processed etc [solved, but expensive] - Variety [not solved] Big Data today is not: I don't have enough storage or compute. It is: I don't have enough cognitive capacity to integrate and make sense of it.

What do you mean by 'variety'?

Data that isn't internally managed database exports.

One of the reasons big data systems took off was because enterprises had exports out of third party systems that they didn't want to model since they didn't own it. As well as a bunch of unstructured data e.g. floor plans, images, logs, telemetry etc.

Re: Big data is dead (2023)

#53
post #51
post #32

When I was hiring data scientists for a previous job, my favorite tricky question was "what stack/architecture would you build" with the somewhat detailed requirements of "6 TiB of data" in sight. I was careful not to require overly complicated sums, I simply said it's MAX 6TiB I patiently listened to all the big query hadoop habla-blabla, even asked questions about the financials (hardware/software/license BOM) and…

You have 6 TiB of ram?

You don’t need that much ram to use mmap(2)

Re: Big data is dead (2023)

#54
My first job was doing hadoop stuff around ~2011. I think one of the biggest motivators for big data or rather hadoop adoption was that it was open source. Back then most of the data warehousing platforms dominated by oracle, netezza, EMC, teradata etc. were super expensive on per GB basis. It was followed by lot of success stories about how facebook save $$$ or you could use google's mapreduce for free etc.

Everyone was talking about data being the new "oil".

Enterprise could basically deploy petabyte scale warehouse run HBase or Hive on top of it and build makeshift data-warehouses. It was also when the cloud was emerging, people started creating EMR clusters and deploy workloads there.

I think it was solution looking for problem. And the problem existed only for a handful of companies.

I think somehow, how cloud providers abstracted lot of these tools and databases, gave a better service and we kind of forgot about hadoop et al.

Re: Big data is dead (2023)

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Overall, I agree with much of this post, but there are several caveats: 1) Mongo is a bad point of reference. The one lesson I've learned is that there is nothing Mongo does which postgresql doesn't do better. Big data solutions aren't nosql / mongo, but usually things like columnar databases, map/reduce, Cassandra, etc. 2) Plan for success 95% of businesses never become unicorns, but that's the goal for most (for th…

> To have any chance of becoming a unicorn, every part of the business needs to be planned for now and for later

Sources ?

Re: Big data is dead (2023)

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post #51
post #32

When I was hiring data scientists for a previous job, my favorite tricky question was "what stack/architecture would you build" with the somewhat detailed requirements of "6 TiB of data" in sight. I was careful not to require overly complicated sums, I simply said it's MAX 6TiB I patiently listened to all the big query hadoop habla-blabla, even asked questions about the financials (hardware/software/license BOM) and…

You have 6 TiB of ram?

The "(multiple times)" part probably means batching or streaming.

But yeah, they might have that much RAM. At a rather small company I was at we had a third of it in the virtualisation cluster. I routinely put customer databases in the hundreds of gigabytes into RAM to do bug triage and fixing.

Re: Big data is dead (2023)

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post #4

Overall, I agree with much of this post, but there are several caveats: 1) Mongo is a bad point of reference. The one lesson I've learned is that there is nothing Mongo does which postgresql doesn't do better. Big data solutions aren't nosql / mongo, but usually things like columnar databases, map/reduce, Cassandra, etc. 2) Plan for success 95% of businesses never become unicorns, but that's the goal for most (for th…

I see people planning for success to the point of guaranteeing failure, much more than people who suddenly must try to handle success in panic.

It's a second system syndrome + survivor bias thing I think: people who had to clean up the mess of a good MVP complaining about what wasn't done before. But the companies that DID do that planning and architecting before did not survive to be complained about.

Re: Big data is dead (2023)

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post #32

When I was hiring data scientists for a previous job, my favorite tricky question was "what stack/architecture would you build" with the somewhat detailed requirements of "6 TiB of data" in sight. I was careful not to require overly complicated sums, I simply said it's MAX 6TiB I patiently listened to all the big query hadoop habla-blabla, even asked questions about the financials (hardware/software/license BOM) and…

I agree that keeping data local is great and should be the first option when possible. It works great on 10GB or even 100GB, but after that starts to matter what you optimize for because you start seeing execution bottlenecks.

To mitigate these bottlenecks you get fancy hardware (e.g oracle appliance) or you scale out (and get TCO/performance gains from separating storage and compute - which is how Snowflake sold 3x cheaper compared to appliances when they came out).

I believe that Trino on HDFS would be able to finish faster than awk on 6 enterprise disks for 6TB data.

In conclusion I would say that we should keep data local if possible but 6TB is getting into the realm where Big Data tech starts to be useful if you do it a lot.

Re: Big data is dead (2023)

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When working in a research lab we used to have people boast that their analysis was so big it ‘brought down the cluster’ - which outed them pretty quickly to the people who knew what they were doing.
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