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Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#41

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult.

Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#42
post #37

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

You want a local LLM. honestly, I hope regulation allows sideloading and alternative apps sometime soon. We need to firewall our devices from the accelerating pace of data snarfing.

No amount of regulation will ever get a corporate owned device to act in your best interests.

It is a very very slow game of legal Whack A Mole and Apple has enough money to buy the best lawyers and politicians.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#44

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

I don't think it is cursed yet. Apple seem to be taking a very conservative approach to the whole AI and LLM thing and are externalising it to OpenAI so they can cast it off if it turns out to be a pile of crap.

Where they are investing heavily is in some of the local on-device ML stuff which actually looks vaguely useful. And it's all standard classification, image processing and summarising stuff. All viable, not overhyped solutions. The photos.app contextual search thing is very useful already for example (even if it can't identify the difference between horses and cows very well).

Think of the standard hype/maturity curve. Apple know how to play it.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#45
post #40

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general. So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.

In the data control of ChatGPT, you can now disable the use of your data for training:

    Model improvement
    Improve the model for everyone [ ] 
    Allow your content to be used to train our models, 
    which makes ChatGPT better for you and everyone who
    uses it. We take steps to protect your privacy. Learn more
Still, I agree with the OP that all these ML/LLM should be on device. My mobile phone is very personal.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#46
post #10

It is very typical Apple that wants to play Google against OpenAI to their full advantage. All while buying themselves time to work on their own. I just wish Microsoft could get their act together on their OS and release a Surface Phone

Microsoft released a surface phone years ago and pissed off the developers by forcing them to rewrite everything and they all went to Android and iOS.

There has only been crack smokers at the wheel for the last 15 years or so.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#47
post #40

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general. So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.

Isn't Siri required for speech processing? I use voice control the most while in my car.

Do you really just want to use the buttons? I can understand that could be the case but I never considered this.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#48
post #42
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want a local LLM. honestly, I hope regulation allows sideloading and alternative apps sometime soon. We need to firewall our devices from the accelerating pace of data snarfing.

No amount of regulation will ever get a corporate owned device to act in your best interests. It is a very very slow game of legal Whack A Mole and Apple has enough money to buy the best lawyers and politicians.

This is a pretty strongly worded lecture when you’re talking about something that hasn’t even happened yet.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#49
post #10

It is very typical Apple that wants to play Google against OpenAI to their full advantage. All while buying themselves time to work on their own. I just wish Microsoft could get their act together on their OS and release a Surface Phone

Are you too young to remember Windows Phone or what?

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#50

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

I agree

its not something i'd want either

but i see it could have a lot of potential benefits - especially on an iphone with multiple apps easily being able to communicate properly through this AI.

and of course it can provide awesome benefits for disabled people - making their device much more capable than before (in their hands)

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