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Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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It does in ways you likely don't understand. At large enterprises with satellite offices, most of us don't want to sit at our desks and annoy our coworkers who are also in-office by taking calls at our desks. That leaves meeting rooms, which are at a premium. Full single device for everyone would mean either everyone loudly shouting at their desks from within their noise canceling headphones or the company giving eve…

I sometimes work out of a WeWork here in Bangalore, and they have these tiny one-person soundproof cubicles for taking calls. All they have inside is a cushioned bench to sit on and a table large enough to hold a 15" laptop. It's a great idea, IMO. You can fit 10-12 of these in the same space as a regular conference room. This solves exactly the problem you're describing.

> You can fit 10-12 of these in the same space as a regular conference room. This solves exactly the problem you're describing.

So it's kinda like sitting in a conference room, except you're talking to other people via a shitty audio quality with latency, random noise, talking over each other due to not seeing each other. You don't even have the benefit of a more ergonomic personal setup like more monitors. When people are in the office, let them do their meetings in person ...

Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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Remote is extreme and is still not the norm. It is easier to baseline on things optimised for remote then relax than try to shoehorn in person into remote which is then doomed to fail. I worked for a company that was headquartered in London and had satellite offices in Spain and Germany. After we all went remote during the pandemic the EU offices said they felt so much more engaged with the rest of the company becaus…

It was for 2.5-3 entire years

Personally, it was an eye-opener for me to see what difference the personal contact makes. I now prefer companies which are in-person or hybrid (which doesn't optimize for remote).

Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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What if the resulting audio output of the digitally converted human vocalization has an inaudible frequency modulation or signature added to it which operates in a range inaudible to the human ear, you could then detect said signal and filtered out its source or merged / manipulated Now fixing search, that would be truly mind blowing.

What search? Some search within Meets? Or are you talking about Google Search in general, in which case I don't think the Meets team has much to do with that.

Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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I sometimes work out of a WeWork here in Bangalore, and they have these tiny one-person soundproof cubicles for taking calls. All they have inside is a cushioned bench to sit on and a table large enough to hold a 15" laptop. It's a great idea, IMO. You can fit 10-12 of these in the same space as a regular conference room. This solves exactly the problem you're describing.

> You can fit 10-12 of these in the same space as a regular conference room. This solves exactly the problem you're describing. So it's kinda like sitting in a conference room, except you're talking to other people via a shitty audio quality with latency, random noise, talking over each other due to not seeing each other. You don't even have the benefit of a more ergonomic personal setup like more monitors. When peop…

If your entire team is in the same location, then you should certainly have your meetings in person. It'd be silly to force everyone to join a Meet/Zoom. I'm proposing a solution for situations when that's NOT the case (e.g everyone is fully remote or you have a hybrid team).

Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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> You can fit 10-12 of these in the same space as a regular conference room. This solves exactly the problem you're describing. So it's kinda like sitting in a conference room, except you're talking to other people via a shitty audio quality with latency, random noise, talking over each other due to not seeing each other. You don't even have the benefit of a more ergonomic personal setup like more monitors. When peop…

If your entire team is in the same location, then you should certainly have your meetings in person. It'd be silly to force everyone to join a Meet/Zoom. I'm proposing a solution for situations when that's NOT the case (e.g everyone is fully remote or you have a hybrid team).

When you have a hybrid team, the office people can sit in a conference room (for which this Meet feature will be great) and the remote people will connect remotely ...

Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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I just want to say that this is really actually kind of mind-blowing from an audio engineering perspective. Outputting audio from multiple laptops in the same room is easy. Perfectly syncing it is harder. Implementing echo cancellation across all of that is quite a bit trickier than regular single-device echo cancellation. But then treating all the laptop microphones as a kind of microphone array, having to deal with…

I assume it's just some neural network doing the heavy lifting, or not?

My guess is that that would introduce too much latency (neural networks generally have bad latency).

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> I can hear whatever my PC can output This would require measuring equipment, since you can also only hear what you PC can output that you can hear. ;)

I do use my phone to measure, though the mic might be filtered as well.

To sample a analog signal in digital you always have to filter it. Otherwise you would a lot of aliasing because of the Nyqst thing.

Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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Meet frustrates me immensely because I can't just fullscreen someone sharing an HD screen onto my HD screen and get 1:1 pixels with an overlay of faces (like Zoom does). Instead, I have to either not be able to read small text, or awkwardly pan in the recently-added "zoom" view.

You get near full screen watching a shared screen with Meets with these steps: 1. change Meets call layout to one video (presentation) only, disabling participant watching 2. press F11 to make browser go full screen 3. press Ctrl+Minus multiple times to decrease UI elements which makes the shared video near full screen

That’s a workaround at best

I also think this is perhaps the top issue i have with Meets. The current UX does not consider the fact people share screen most of the time. having ability to go full screen to get 1 to 1 scale with some essential floating menus. Even more recent years when remote teams are the new normal.

Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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I just want to say that this is really actually kind of mind-blowing from an audio engineering perspective. Outputting audio from multiple laptops in the same room is easy. Perfectly syncing it is harder. Implementing echo cancellation across all of that is quite a bit trickier than regular single-device echo cancellation. But then treating all the laptop microphones as a kind of microphone array, having to deal with…

I think this is much simpler than what you're suggesting. Careful microphone level management can handle this. No need for audio sync. I know they use the word "sync" but that's a very broad term.

You need sync to mitigate phase issues because the mics are in different positions on the room.

Re: Google Meet rolls out multi-device adaptive audio merging

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Do any of the video call services support full duplex audio? It feels so stifling to have to be perfectly silent while others are speaking, compared to the give and take of a normal conversation.

Yes, all of them. Wear headphones.

+1 And usually, the one person in the meeting not using headphones does not feel the problem: he can speak all the time and be heard correctly, while the others cannot interrupt him while he is speaking
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