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What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Post by charles_f »

lazide wrote: post #81
cma wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like the insurance would still pay but he loses his boat to the insurance company at that point, assuming carrying insurance was part of his fishing license.

Due to problems with moral hazard, insurance generally doesn’t cover anything illegal done intentionally or due to extreme (willful) recklessness/negligence. Hard to argue that wasn’t what the fisherman was doing at the point he was sawing a cable in half using a saw he’s already dredged up several times.

Makes me wonder if car liability insurance covers the damages you can cause if you drive recklessly or even purposely hit someone's car

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Post by dasv »

eru wrote: post #122
nkrisc wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered more mundane explanations first? If there was a conspiracy I think they would not have made such a foolish and obvious error.

> Have you considered more mundane explanations first? It's indeed more likely the police just bought an off-the-shelf measuring device. They often come with both imperial and proper units. > If there was a conspiracy I think they would not have made such a foolish and obvious error. Alas, that's not necessarily a good rule-of-thumb. Incompetence is a thing. Compare to eg how the Russian spooks placed three copies of…

In addition to that, this photo was taken onboard a cable laying vessel. There are not that many and they are booked back to back all over the world, so it is not of the question that they would have dual metric and imperial measurement devices. Also, onboard a working ship there is usually an international mixture of crew and contractors, and of course they might have American clients.

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Post by 0xedd »

mschuster91 wrote: post #33

Let's assume that these incidents actually were accidents, there's still a bigger question open: why is trawler fishing still allowed? Imagine it's not a fiber cable that ends up being crushed by a trawl door... but all the other marine life: Fish can swim away (or not, being the point of getting fished), but plants, corals, bugs? Trawler fishing is devastating for the local ecology, we just don't see the damage - to…

Cool. Will you pay the cost difference afterwards? I kinda don't like the taste of bugs.

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Post by bjornasm »

Just in case why people are wondering why cutting of internet for an arctic island is a big deal.

What many might not know is that Svalbard is home to the northernmost satellite station in the world. It is just one of two stations that can communicate with polar orbiting satellites each day. ESA and NASA as well as other civilian organisations are present there, and the station communicates with well over a hundred satellites, and are pretty vital for much of the satellites that look back at us.

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Post by the_gipsy »

cjrp wrote: post #138

Russian trawlers going back and forth in that area… https://x.com/PerErikSchulze/status/1794828268480438514

While this looks alarming and makes an engaging tweet, I have no idea how regular trawling patterns look like. They might circle around fishing spot.

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Post by the_gipsy »

0xedd wrote: post #143
mschuster91 wrote: post #33

Let's assume that these incidents actually were accidents, there's still a bigger question open: why is trawler fishing still allowed? Imagine it's not a fiber cable that ends up being crushed by a trawl door... but all the other marine life: Fish can swim away (or not, being the point of getting fished), but plants, corals, bugs? Trawler fishing is devastating for the local ecology, we just don't see the damage - to…

Cool. Will you pay the cost difference afterwards? I kinda don't like the taste of bugs.

Allright, let's not do anything, ever.

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Post by 0xedd »

fbdab103 wrote: post #48
adolph wrote: post #34

This reminds me of a story in "Blind Man's Bluff," summary: [Capt James F. Bradley Jr.] was at his office in Naval Intelligence one day at 3 a.m. when the St. Louis native began reflecting on his boyhood life on the Mississippi River. As he later told the authors, he recalled that the river beach was dotted with signs warning, “Cable Crossing — Do Not Anchor,” so a boater would not foul the cable. At that point, he w…

Is it possible to tap fiber-optic cables without the owner getting wise? Even if you could tap modern cables, I assume everything is now encrypted and carries so much bandwidth that it becomes possible to sample the interesting intelligence.

Private companies provide equipment and software to analyse all raw data going through an ISP. All the big names, from US and EU to some countries in Asia, bought this equipment and software.

So, my guess is that a government's budget can enable sampling anything from "so much bandwidth". Regarding encryption, if you run the numbers, to brute force common encryption algorithms it would take Google's compute 1 second. Image all Google service have an outage for 1 second. Google is just an example to imagine the sizing required. In other words, technically possible. And shouldn't be dismissed with "oh, there is encryption, so that door is closed for any threat actor".

> Source: I worked on said analytical software.

Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Post by mgoetzke »

the_gipsy wrote: post #146
cjrp wrote: post #138

Russian trawlers going back and forth in that area… https://x.com/PerErikSchulze/status/1794828268480438514

While this looks alarming and makes an engaging tweet, I have no idea how regular trawling patterns look like. They might circle around fishing spot.

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Re: What the damaged Svalbard cable looked like

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

lazide wrote: post #81
cma wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like the insurance would still pay but he loses his boat to the insurance company at that point, assuming carrying insurance was part of his fishing license.

Due to problems with moral hazard, insurance generally doesn’t cover anything illegal done intentionally or due to extreme (willful) recklessness/negligence. Hard to argue that wasn’t what the fisherman was doing at the point he was sawing a cable in half using a saw he’s already dredged up several times.

Mandatory insurances (that are mandatory to ensure victims get paid) are often required to pay even in such cases, but are then allowed to (try to) get the money back from the perpetrator. This protects the victim but not the perpetrator, eliminating the moral hazard.
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