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Meet and Google Docs are perfect Google products. I'm disapponted when people send me Zoom meetings or want to meet on Slack. Google Meet is a 10x better experience.
I just want to say that this is really actually kind of mind-blowing from an audio engineering perspective. Outputting audio from multiple laptops in the same room is easy. Perfectly syncing it is harder. Implementing echo cancellation across all of that is quite a bit trickier than regular single-device echo cancellation. But then treating all the laptop microphones as a kind of microphone array, having to deal with…
I too am in awe of the audio engineering challenges and opportunities here. But I don't necessarily know that Meet is trying to tackle all this? Are they using the mics as a microphone array & processing signals across phases? Could be missing it but I don't see that they said so. Perhaps they're just picking the loudest mic for a given speaker? Or any of a dozen other simpler tactics?
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Exactly! I was shocked to learn that the latency from laptop to ear is higher than to the other side of the planet. Most people don't notice the adverse psychological aspects of this: People get really annoyed by when constantly talking over each other. It subconciously makes you dread talking to the other person. When everybody is using wired headphones, you suddenly like your coworkers more!
And then there are apps/OSes that set the mic gain at like 5% of max, so everyone else has to put their volume at 95%. We should probably get off hacker news and just start building a teleconferencing app.
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As an "IT admin", it's not that I need convincing. It's that the rest of Googles "office" products are absolute amateur hour and support is non-existent.
> the rest of Googles "office" products are absolute amateur hour Not quite sure about this. Gmail (both personal and company accounts) is IMO a great email client with loads of handy features, and I always felt Google Docs/Sheets/Slides/Drawings were well put together. Are they the best in class? I guess it depends what you are looking for. Could Drive be faster? Yes, that would be nice. But "amateur hour" sounds li…
HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30227588
Article: https://medium.com/@laurajavier/google-slides-is-actually-hi...
Do any of the video call services support full duplex audio? It feels so stifling to have to be perfectly silent while others are speaking, compared to the give and take of a normal conversation.
Pretty sure literally all of them do, but generally only full duplex . Not triplex or quadruplex etc. In other words, if you're having a 1-1 video call, both of you have your audio working at all times. But as you go to 3, 4, 5, 10, 20 participants, it generally continues to be just max 2 simultaneous audio streams, determined by whoever has been the loudest recently. Unless you turn on special features like music mo…
Meet, to me, is the perfect balance of functionality and simplicity (as an end user). And features like this only make that more apparent. Zoom and Teams always frustrate me, even though they're what I use far more often. It's too bad that video conferencing is largely a game of who has the most boxes checked - IT admins and A/V folk are the ones that need to be convinced, and Meet just doesn't ...meet... their needs
If Meet did "autorecord" combined with "autoshare recording with recipients" (specifically including Google Group recipients)... then it would be perfect. As it is, we're gradually shifting more things to Zoom where that's either part basic functionality, or part easy to automate as things like Zapier are well integrated into the API. We only use Meet for team meetings now, and we did use Gong.io to solve the above..…
Autosharing can be easily solved by simple Google Apps Script. I scan my personal calendar and share recording to Slack channel when I detect group meeting with recording available. Mail me, so I can arrange something for you.
Autorecording - yeah, this is missing. There is paid Chrome Extension which do that, but I have never tested it.
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And then there are apps/OSes that set the mic gain at like 5% of max, so everyone else has to put their volume at 95%. We should probably get off hacker news and just start building a teleconferencing app.
Since it’d be twice as good as Meet, we could call it Duo! Oh wait…
I just want to say that this is really actually kind of mind-blowing from an audio engineering perspective. Outputting audio from multiple laptops in the same room is easy. Perfectly syncing it is harder. Implementing echo cancellation across all of that is quite a bit trickier than regular single-device echo cancellation. But then treating all the laptop microphones as a kind of microphone array, having to deal with…
Do you think they are using some kind of inaudible-to-humans signal to coordinate this or is the unmodified audio good enough?
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The organisation I worked at used Meet until someone from Microsoft convinced them to use Teams. Such a nightmare. Quality of meetings went downhill and employees were penalised for secretly using Meet for ad hoc meetings.
> employees were penalised for secretly using Meet for ad hoc meetings. Why would someone ever be secretly punished?
This is very common anywhere that handles sensitive info.