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Getting nearly instant, detailed feedback when guessing wrong has got to be a major improvement over waiting weeks for a red X.
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#62Any idea why Khanmigo is country locked? It seems to be available only in the US. Even the paid version.
I'm not sure why that implies that the paid plan is not available outside of the US.
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#63Khan - an English loanword from Middle Mongolian meaning "ruler". Migo - in the works of H.P. Lovecraft, a fundamentally alien race that has mastered neuroscience. Seems a little too much on the noise?
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Getting nearly instant, detailed feedback when guessing wrong has got to be a major improvement over waiting weeks for a red X.
It's quite interesting. All of these things, like the internet, that are or were supposed to 'democratize' learning, knowledge, and so on often end up doing the exact opposite - and just growing divides. The tiny percent of people that truly utilize these tools to their potential do become far more able than ever before, but most people don't. And the tool for self improvement instead just becomes a tool to get the answer, leaving them even worse off than before the tool.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Teachers are there to classroom manage, manage/coach students to learn, and baby sit. If this is really what actual teachers think of teaching in 2024, Gen Alpha truly is doomed.
What do you think teachers are for instead? The learning part is on the student, anyway. You can only assist them while they do it. And that mostly means breaking down stuff into lessons, taking care of the learning environment, answering questions as they arise, keep students from cutting each others hair off, and keep them busy until their parents come home from work (although I agree the last part is a bit of a cy…
1. To teach students whatever society deems at the time is general education. This is straightforward, don't think I need to elaborate here.
2. To widen the horizons of the youth on what's possible to do in the world. Ideally they'd inspire students and guide them towards their potential passions and interests. I'd never be here in tech if my 4th/5th grade teacher didn't inspire me into STEM. He worked at NASA before, he was my first exposure to Carl Sagan, he had all sorts of neat astronomical examples ready whenever the science unit came up. I didn't end up as an astronomer, but it did show me something I never would have looked into otherwise as a kid
3. A resource (or pointer to a resource) for students. Be it if the students are struggling in studies, are curious about particular topics, or want to try and plan a future pursuit. They should help students not only learn, but learn to learn.
4. Lastly, as a state guardian. A teacher should be one a child should feels safe confiding with should issues involving their parents, peers, or even other teaches arises. They should have some emotional intelligence to balance between what administration wants and what the student needs at that time. This also may include identifying mental or medical issues in students, and at least able to start the trail of investigation should there be more than lack of interest holding some students back.
If we compare notes we agree on #1, and you have maybe a small inkling of #3 and 4 for our definitions. The only separation from school and day care in your definition is the lessons, thought these days daycares also do that.
If society just wants government funded supervision while the parents engage in taxable labor for half their waking life (or more), we should just be honest about that.
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#66Sorry can someone explain to me why the teachers are needed at all in these subjects given the Khan Academy? A few years ago I saw Salman Khan give a talk about AI solving the Two Sigma problem, obviating the need for teachers: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hJP5GqnTrNo
People these days have seem to forgotten the human element in, well, everything these days. I think it's easier to ask the collorary: do you trust your kid(s) to self learn K-12 material on their own time instead of going to school? Why or why not?
pg likens it to a prison: https://paulgraham.com/nerds.html
Some schools are awful: https://nypost.com/2014/01/12/no-space-no-books-no-leader-no...
Newark: Zuck's $100,000,000 barely made a dent in math https://www.chalkbeat.org/2017/10/16/21103581/the-100-millio...
On the other hand, I knew since 2011 that this was possible instead:
https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20...
I have proposed specific ways to reform education 10 years ago:
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you think teachers are for instead? The learning part is on the student, anyway. You can only assist them while they do it. And that mostly means breaking down stuff into lessons, taking care of the learning environment, answering questions as they arise, keep students from cutting each others hair off, and keep them busy until their parents come home from work (although I agree the last part is a bit of a cy…
For a grade school teacher; 1. To teach students whatever society deems at the time is general education. This is straightforward, don't think I need to elaborate here. 2. To widen the horizons of the youth on what's possible to do in the world. Ideally they'd inspire students and guide them towards their potential passions and interests. I'd never be here in tech if my 4th/5th grade teacher didn't inspire me into ST…
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Getting nearly instant, detailed feedback when guessing wrong has got to be a major improvement over waiting weeks for a red X.
The availability of instant answers requires self discipline. Because it can be used to help make your learning process more efficient, but it can also turn into a crutch where the tool becomes the answer. Anybody who has ever tried to teach math to an unmotivated student would have faced the question, 'Why do we learn math when we could just use a calculator?' It's quite interesting. All of these things, like the in…
If it goes the same as your example for AI then soon people will doubt your knowledge on the grounds of not coming from the assured source. (The ai)
I generally agree with what the OP said: having an instant and correct answering machine available will remove most of the challenge of learning, leaving you completely unable to progress beyond the guided tours also called academic tests / certificates.
But the people talking about the calculator actually have a point, because the only reason to learn math is to understand the concept behind the formula, which can tell you why it works in certain scenarios and not in others. That's usually not what's taught in class however, instead they're made to run through formulas to get a "deeper understanding". And that's pointless beyond training to do exactly that: applying a formula at a pre-selected problem that has a correct answer. This doesn't really transfer to anything you'd do outside of school in any creative profession.
It's perfect for accounting and MBA roles though - even if they're not gonna be doing the calculation themselves, but they Guess identify which formal to apply, so ymmv
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#69I’m curious what teachers unions in the United States will think of this. Presumably any successful outcomes with this will result in a culling, starting with aides and specialists. Add declining enrollment and you have strong incentive.
Let me tell you as a parent I want no part of this AI garbage in the classroom. Its just an excuse to burn money the district does not have on software they dont need and that does not work. Id way rather our school district bought an Xtramath account and taught the kids math facts in a simple way than waste money on AI that does not work or feeds misinformation.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
The availability of instant answers requires self discipline. Because it can be used to help make your learning process more efficient, but it can also turn into a crutch where the tool becomes the answer. Anybody who has ever tried to teach math to an unmotivated student would have faced the question, 'Why do we learn math when we could just use a calculator?' It's quite interesting. All of these things, like the in…
> Anybody who has ever tried to teach math to an unmotivated student would have faced the question, 'Why do we learn math when we could just use a calculator?' If it goes the same as your example for AI then soon people will doubt your knowledge on the grounds of not coming from the assured source. (The ai) I generally agree with what the OP said: having an instant and correct answering machine available will remove…
For instance imagine something claims to make something bad 90% less likely to happen. People without a mathematical intuition would probably think that means means something goes from being pretty likely to happen to being very unlikely to happen. Of course it means nothing of the sort. Something that is 0.000001% to 0.0000001% is a 90% reduction in probability, but you've gone from absurdly unlikely to absurdly unlikely - for a negligible practical effect.
Or vice versa, if you're investing and think some event is only 2% likely to happen, then many would simply discard it. While failing to consider that such black swan events are arguably the single most important factors in finance. Because you earning a small amount 98% of the time and losing it all 2% of the time, then that means you're going to lose it all on any significant timeframe. See: "hedge" funds continuing to rip off the mathematically naive relative to index funds (which themselves may even provide insufficient security given contemporary issues).
Another would be something like the gambler's fallacy. You're at a roulette wheel and see it's turned up red 17 times in a row. Surely the odds of a black are now way better than 50%, right!?!? Of course not. Such logic is most easily demonstrated with gambling, but it shows up everywhere in real life as well in any field with randomness. For basic mathematics consider something like fertility rates. For those with a strong mathematical intuition fertility rates are absolutely terrifying. For those without such, a fertility rate of 1 and 2 seem pretty much the same - so what's the big deal?
And so on endlessly. Going through life without a mathematical intuition is entirely possible, as most people lack such. But it's akin to going through life colorblind. You simply aren't seeing things that others do, and ideally schools would work to prevent that so much as possible.