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Lucid dreaming: Rise of a nocturnal hobby

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I spent some time in college thinking about/wanting to lucid dream. The techniques that I came to use were using a digital watch that I looked at frequently, and making a habit of turning on and off lights.

The idea is that in a dream, looking at a watch won't reveal a time; and turning off a light switch won't turn off the light. So you train yourself to do these things habitually with the idea that eventually you will do it in your dream, and have the knowledge that when something funny happens, you will know you are dreaming.

I was also advised to have in mind the things I wanted to do when I became lucid. I wanted to fly. So with that in mind, I got a cheap digital watch and started flickign on and off light switches.

It was a couple weeks later when I had my first lucid dream; I looked at my watch while at some type of fair; and noticed it was weird looking; which gave me this sort of poof aha moment where I realized I was in a dream. Then I remembered I wanted to fly, so I made myself "fly" which this particular time ended up being me going straight up like I was on a very fast space elevator.

I had my second, much nicer only a couple nights later.

Since then I stopped putting any effort into it, but I have been a lucid dreamer pretty often ever since.

Very few of my dreams do I conciously take control, but the vast majority of them I am what I have come to call/think of as 'semi-lucid'. That is, part of the story line of the dream is that I am dreaming, it's essentially built into the plot, but I am still just a passive observer.

The most common exception to this is when I want to wake up from a dream because I have gotten myself into a shotty situation, so I will climb to the top of a building and jump off or do something else drastic to wake myself up.

Recently, I have had more and more double-layer dreams, or inception-esque dreams. Where I wake up from a dream, always semi-lucid, usually by my own will as I described above; only to go about being in another dream still.

Usually when truly wake from these I feel similar to how I do after coming out of a long meditation session. Uber uber focused; like my brain is on super drive and reality is crystal clear.

Anyway, I recommend learning to lucid dream to everyone. Especially with apps as it probably makes it even easier for the right people; but I had plenty of luck like I said by just checking my wrist watch.

The only true benefit other than the 'fun' factor is that I basically never have nightmares; as anything that is scary/bad is always met with a sense of lightness or calm, since my dream character knows he is dreaming.

Re: Lucid dreaming: Rise of a nocturnal hobby

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I practiced becoming lucid in dreams. This was a about five years ago. I was able to do it on a regular basis. I loved it. One of the greatest benefits was solving my 'day' problems in my sleep. Of course, it was fun and surreal.

One of the side effects was sleep paralysis. Eventually, I realized my energy level was dropping. Lucid dreaming was taking my rest away. I stopped. I prefer to let my body sleep normally now.

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While I've had a few "lucid" dreams in my life that I can remember, I'm skeptical of anyone who claims they can do this with some regularity. Don't forget, there's a comparable number of people who claim the ability to "astral travel". When you wake up in the morning, how can you tell whether you were lucid dreaming or just dreaming that you were lucid dreaming? I don't mean that distinction as a joke; in one case yo…

When you're dreaming, it feels real, but as soon as you wake you realize that it was not. In a lucid dream, it feels like a dream, and that feeling persists through waking. Perhaps you will wake in a moment and discover that your present feeling of consciousness is an illusion; until then, you kind of just have to trust it.

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While I've had a few "lucid" dreams in my life that I can remember, I'm skeptical of anyone who claims they can do this with some regularity. Don't forget, there's a comparable number of people who claim the ability to "astral travel". When you wake up in the morning, how can you tell whether you were lucid dreaming or just dreaming that you were lucid dreaming? I don't mean that distinction as a joke; in one case yo…

I believe the answer to that is that lucid dreamers have a token symbol they regularly keep in real life that cannot attain a specific state in reality; if they keep this token so persistent in their life that it inevitably ends up in the dream, they can interact with the token to determine the dreamstate by making the token do something impossible. This boolean answer hopefully trickles up to you just enough to go "whoa!" without waking you - at which point you're free to dream about the 3 things people do with lucid dreaming.

Re: Lucid dreaming: Rise of a nocturnal hobby

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While I've had a few "lucid" dreams in my life that I can remember, I'm skeptical of anyone who claims they can do this with some regularity. Don't forget, there's a comparable number of people who claim the ability to "astral travel". When you wake up in the morning, how can you tell whether you were lucid dreaming or just dreaming that you were lucid dreaming? I don't mean that distinction as a joke; in one case yo…

As a lucid dreamer, the difference is pretty obvious. A memory of a dream feels like just that, a dream. Remembering a lucid dream feels more like a memory from everyday life- I remember actually being 'there'.

Waking up directly after a lucid dream makes it even more apparent, to transition from the dream-world into the real world with no apparent loss of consciousness in between.

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I used to get them quite a lot a few years ago. First thing was usually white noise followed by the "lucid dream".

The funny thing is that when you put on a nicotine patch right before going to sleep the dreams become way more accurate. I guess it has something to do with dopamine. It's like having a lucid dream... in HD ;)

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The article has a section on dream interpretation. This is bunk Freudian stuff. Even if it were true that dreams had meanings, it would be difficult to prove scientifically. Just a warning before people start attaching meaning to something where there is none.

Re: Lucid dreaming: Rise of a nocturnal hobby

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I used to get them quite a lot a few years ago. First thing was usually white noise followed by the "lucid dream". The funny thing is that when you put on a nicotine patch right before going to sleep the dreams become way more accurate. I guess it has something to do with dopamine. It's like having a lucid dream... in HD ;)

Modafinil definitely has a similiar effect, if you sleep when it's active..

Re: Lucid dreaming: Rise of a nocturnal hobby

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post #21

I spent some time in college thinking about/wanting to lucid dream. The techniques that I came to use were using a digital watch that I looked at frequently, and making a habit of turning on and off lights. The idea is that in a dream, looking at a watch won't reveal a time; and turning off a light switch won't turn off the light. So you train yourself to do these things habitually with the idea that eventually you w…

I'm the same, without having to do anything. Normally, if I don't like where things are going, I jump back in time and do them differently. But there is another kind of nightmare - those where the things I can find in my mind are.. let's say.. not what I normally perceive myself to be. And I can't say 'It's just a dream', because I'm at least partly concious imagining it, which means it's a part of me.. and you can't wake up from this kind of fact.

Re: Lucid dreaming: Rise of a nocturnal hobby

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I'm convinced I could operate some kind of (very sensitive) input device while lucid dreaming. I can touch type well so I'm thinking of making "keyboard gloves" or something to communicate from the other side. Though I should have a look - I can probably already order them on Kickstarter.

http://xkcd.com/269/

Internet rule: there is xkcd of it. But actually, I found mention of communicating via eye movement here: http://daniel.erlacher.de/index.php/Time_required_for_motor_...

But that's a bit too low bandwidth for me ;)

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