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Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by nomel »

gtirloni wrote: post #12
yardie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still on a i7 MBP because everytime I think I'm ready to update the next one is announced.

Besides maybe battery life (which is a huge win), anything you'd benefit from the M's? I only had a 2008 macbook so I'm curious.

I can definitely say there's a downside. I sometimes take the bus home, but it can get chilly at night. Previously, I would fire up a little python script that saturate all the cores, to warm my lap. My old Intel was plenty warm to keep me from getting too uncomfortable. I can't even feel my M2 through my pants, and sticking it into my shirt makes me look like an idiot.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by yegle »

heroprotagonist wrote: post #38
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #18

The most incredible thing about the new iPads is that even with the crazy fast M4 chip MS Teams manages to crawl to a halt. Clearly it takes all the engineering skills of the largest and most valuable software company in the world to make text entry go at about 1 fps on a chip as powerful as the M4.

Every character you type results in some sort of hit to their telemetry server. It will include the actual letter you typed, if you or your org are not configured to be in EU. With their EU configuration option (pulled from server every launch) it will only report the fact that you typed _something_. Now if that's not fun enough, their telemetry also covers mouse movements. Go ahead and watch your CPU as you spin you…

Your description is so absurd that I can't tell if it's real or a satire.

Please tell me this is a satire piece...

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by fl0ki »

meindnoch wrote: post #7

So binary sizes are going to double?

This is more like supporting AVX512 than a whole separate architecture. If you have to target both old and new devices from one binary, you do a runtime feature check and call the corresponding code.

That is certainly more code, but not double. You only need it for the parts of the code that are both (a) bottlenecks worth optimizing and (b) actually benefit by using the new instructions.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by mschuster91 »

jkestner wrote: post #91
0_____0 wrote: post #10

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These machines are great. I still use my 2015 rMBP as a secondary. It's a little slow now but a couple years ago I was still running Solidworks (in Bootcamp) on it with minimal issues.

I can't help but reply every time this thread comes up. I'd still probably be using my 2010 if it wasn't for a series mechanical failures. Paid to replace the keyboard once (85 screws, didn't need to do that to myself), but third battery crapping out, trackpad not clicking (probably due to swollen battery) and the MagSafe connector getting loose and glitchy was the end of it. Though I did just boot it up because my p…

If the battery is swollen, get rid of it as soon as possible. Swollen battery == ticking time bomb, and I'm not joking about the bomb part. These things can, do and will explode randomly.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by Kon-Peki »

sitkack wrote: post #90
rkuska wrote: post #22

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That’s actually a nice side effect of all the *rumors pages. The rumors of future products keep me of buying the current products. I keep on using my previous products while saving money and planet and being excited about what future holds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

On the contrary, I think that the reliable update cadence in modern electronics means that people should generally all but ignore future product roadmaps.

When you actually need to get a new device, just get whatever the up-to-date thing is.

OK, ok, I suppose that it's reasonable to check the rumor sites to see if you should delay by a month or two. But not any longer than that.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by vundercind »

yegle wrote: post #103
heroprotagonist wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every character you type results in some sort of hit to their telemetry server. It will include the actual letter you typed, if you or your org are not configured to be in EU. With their EU configuration option (pulled from server every launch) it will only report the fact that you typed _something_. Now if that's not fun enough, their telemetry also covers mouse movements. Go ahead and watch your CPU as you spin you…

Your description is so absurd that I can't tell if it's real or a satire. Please tell me this is a satire piece...

Asana used to sometimes have textareas that would take a full three seconds to display each key press. On then-current MacBook pros. You know, something that had nearly zero latency on first-gen single-core Pentium chips. Hell it may still do that, I never saw them fix it, I just finally got to stop using it.

Never underestimate the ability of shitware vendors to make supercomputers feel slower than an 8086. These days it usually involves JavaScript, HTML, and CSS.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by fl0ki »

nolongerthere wrote: post #97
ruined wrote: post #94

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>And apparently Apple is okay with procrastinating and cannibalizing current sales of M1, 2, 3 if it helps prevent some Snapdragon (or Ampere) sales. sales of what i actually can't think of a single competing product. admittedly i don't keep up with laptop news but still, i haven't heard of anything yet that can meaningfully compete with the m1 from four years ago

Microsoft just announced some lackluster arm laptops that they claim can compete with M-series chips. The question is what windows programs are gonna run on them...

Some folks have looked into it, and it doesn't sound too bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY-tMBk9Vx4

For me at least, the best possible outcome of this is that Windows handheld gaming devices become more power-efficient. That might be an advantage over Linux-based handhelds for a while, unless Valve decide that Proton needs to also be an architecture emulator. The chip efficiency wins must surely be tempting in this form factor.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by lostlogin »

chongli wrote: post #27
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #18

The most incredible thing about the new iPads is that even with the crazy fast M4 chip MS Teams manages to crawl to a halt. Clearly it takes all the engineering skills of the largest and most valuable software company in the world to make text entry go at about 1 fps on a chip as powerful as the M4.

MS Teams is by far the worst piece of software I’ve ever used. It is ungodly slow and it just gets slower the more you use it. I believe it is actually hitting the server to update the online/away status light for every single message in a conversation. If you turn off all the status update stuff in the settings then the software speeds up dramatically. Another thing you can do is find the folder where it caches ever…

Have you tried ‘New Teams’?

It’s exactly the same but then you can have to open twice and drain your resources much quicker.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by runjake »

aaomidi wrote: post #67
zorrn wrote: post #60

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Do u have a source for this?

It’d be trivial to MITM it with wireshark

For those interested, try Burp Proxy[1] or Charles Proxy[2].

1. https://portswigger.net/burp/documentation/desktop/getting-s...

2. https://www.charlesproxy.com/

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