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Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by jkestner »

0_____0 wrote: post #10
yardie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still on a i7 MBP because everytime I think I'm ready to update the next one is announced.

These machines are great. I still use my 2015 rMBP as a secondary. It's a little slow now but a couple years ago I was still running Solidworks (in Bootcamp) on it with minimal issues.

I can't help but reply every time this thread comes up. I'd still probably be using my 2010 if it wasn't for a series mechanical failures. Paid to replace the keyboard once (85 screws, didn't need to do that to myself), but third battery crapping out, trackpad not clicking (probably due to swollen battery) and the MagSafe connector getting loose and glitchy was the end of it. Though I did just boot it up because my phone is somehow still supposed to sync music from it.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by georgeburdell »

phkahler wrote: post #58
meindnoch wrote: post #7

So binary sizes are going to double?

>> So binary sizes are going to double? If you're already supporting 2 arch it will only increase by 50 percent to support a 3rd ;-)

IME Mac binaries are much smaller than Windows for your average third party software. I don’t know why.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by ruined »

repelsteeltje wrote: post #31
rkuska wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s actually a nice side effect of all the *rumors pages. The rumors of future products keep me of buying the current products. I keep on using my previous products while saving money and planet and being excited about what future holds.

> The rumors of future products keep me of buying the current products. Spot on! Back in the nineties, Intel managed to push competing RISC architectures (UltraSparc, MIPS, DEC Alpha, PowerPC) out of the market using nothing but promises that Itanium was going to blow them all out of the water. And apparently Apple is okay with procrastinating and cannibalizing current sales of M1, 2, 3 if it helps prevent some Snapd…

>And apparently Apple is okay with procrastinating and cannibalizing current sales of M1, 2, 3 if it helps prevent some Snapdragon (or Ampere) sales.

sales of what

i actually can't think of a single competing product. admittedly i don't keep up with laptop news but still, i haven't heard of anything yet that can meaningfully compete with the m1 from four years ago

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by intelVISA »

mft_ wrote: post #44
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #18

The most incredible thing about the new iPads is that even with the crazy fast M4 chip MS Teams manages to crawl to a halt. Clearly it takes all the engineering skills of the largest and most valuable software company in the world to make text entry go at about 1 fps on a chip as powerful as the M4.

LOL, you wanna try it on my ~2 generations old Core i5 corporate laptop. Sometimes, the first steps of drawing the calendar view are roughly the same speed as me drawing it in Paint. Maybe someone should normalise giving developers crappy laptops to develop on. (Has anyone done a deep dive into Teams to explain what on earth is going on? I mean, if VSCode can be fast despite its underlying architecture, surely someth…

Weird, a statically built ELF that supports TLS1.3 + HTTP1.1 is like ~30kb, all you need is Emacs as a UI and you have Teams 2 at 1.0e-5% resource usage.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by ben7799 »

gtirloni wrote: post #12
yardie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still on a i7 MBP because everytime I think I'm ready to update the next one is announced.

Besides maybe battery life (which is a huge win), anything you'd benefit from the M's? I only had a 2008 macbook so I'm curious.

I went from the last Intel i9 16" MBP to an M3 Pro in the last month at work.

I think it's saving me an hour a day and the fan has never come on, the the laptop has never felt warm, and the battery life is just mind blowing.

I run docker & compilers all day. The i9 would run the fan 75% of the time and had to throttle down any time it was on battery power and it was lucky to last 3 hours on battery.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by nolongerthere »

ruined wrote: post #94
repelsteeltje wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The rumors of future products keep me of buying the current products. Spot on! Back in the nineties, Intel managed to push competing RISC architectures (UltraSparc, MIPS, DEC Alpha, PowerPC) out of the market using nothing but promises that Itanium was going to blow them all out of the water. And apparently Apple is okay with procrastinating and cannibalizing current sales of M1, 2, 3 if it helps prevent some Snapd…

>And apparently Apple is okay with procrastinating and cannibalizing current sales of M1, 2, 3 if it helps prevent some Snapdragon (or Ampere) sales. sales of what i actually can't think of a single competing product. admittedly i don't keep up with laptop news but still, i haven't heard of anything yet that can meaningfully compete with the m1 from four years ago

Microsoft just announced some lackluster arm laptops that they claim can compete with M-series chips. The question is what windows programs are gonna run on them...

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by MarkSweep »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #18

The most incredible thing about the new iPads is that even with the crazy fast M4 chip MS Teams manages to crawl to a halt. Clearly it takes all the engineering skills of the largest and most valuable software company in the world to make text entry go at about 1 fps on a chip as powerful as the M4.

What’s the modern form of “what Andy giveth, Bill taketh away”? “What Tim giveth, Satya taketh away”?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

yardie wrote: post #5
capl wrote: post #2

Hmm, I was thinking of buying an M3 Pro 16” this summer, but maybe I should wait then

I'm still on a i7 MBP because everytime I think I'm ready to update the next one is announced.

I've got a top spec i9 MBP and my same-price M1 Max blows it out of the water, while being vastly cooler and lasting forever on battery.
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