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Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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It seems that M4 was overhyped. Almost of all of the performance improvements, in Geekbench for example, comes from new instructions that most apps won't use, and even if they do they might end up using the faster GPU/NPU for those tasks. https://twitter.com/toniievych/status/1788596920627118248

I truly never understood why Apple deprecated Bitcode.

It was a super great idea because it allowed recompilation on the App Store to take advantage of new instructions.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still on a i7 MBP because everytime I think I'm ready to update the next one is announced.

Besides maybe battery life (which is a huge win), anything you'd benefit from the M's? I only had a 2008 macbook so I'm curious.

I mean, it won't do your laundry, but it'll be much better in every way a laptop plausibly could be.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Hmm, I was thinking of buying an M3 Pro 16” this summer, but maybe I should wait then

> this summer

In recent years the MBP line has been updated towards the end of the year (Oct/Nov) or early (Jan):

* https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro_16

So if you can 'limp' along towards the autumn/winter/Christmas, then it's probably worth the wait to get the M4 (or pickup an M3 when the price presumably drops to clear inventory).

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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The most incredible thing about the new iPads is that even with the crazy fast M4 chip MS Teams manages to crawl to a halt. Clearly it takes all the engineering skills of the largest and most valuable software company in the world to make text entry go at about 1 fps on a chip as powerful as the M4.

LOL, you wanna try it on my ~2 generations old Core i5 corporate laptop. Sometimes, the first steps of drawing the calendar view are roughly the same speed as me drawing it in Paint.

Maybe someone should normalise giving developers crappy laptops to develop on.

(Has anyone done a deep dive into Teams to explain what on earth is going on? I mean, if VSCode can be fast despite its underlying architecture, surely something could be done about Teams?)

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Hmm, I was thinking of buying an M3 Pro 16” this summer, but maybe I should wait then

I just bought a second hand M2 Air in perfect condition and it feels faster than my M1 Max in a really beautiful body for travel. I’m not certain it matters that much anymore to be honest. What are you using it for?

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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That’s actually a nice side effect of all the *rumors pages. The rumors of future products keep me of buying the current products. I keep on using my previous products while saving money and planet and being excited about what future holds.

> The rumors of future products keep me of buying the current products. Spot on! Back in the nineties, Intel managed to push competing RISC architectures (UltraSparc, MIPS, DEC Alpha, PowerPC) out of the market using nothing but promises that Itanium was going to blow them all out of the water. And apparently Apple is okay with procrastinating and cannibalizing current sales of M1, 2, 3 if it helps prevent some Snapd…

> And apparently Apple is okay with procrastinating and cannibalizing current sales of M1, 2, 3 if it helps prevent some Snapdragon (or Ampere) sales.

Not sure where “procrastinating” fits in (a typo?), but as Scott McNealy once said, “If someone shows up and eats our lunch, it might so well be us.”

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Hmm, I was thinking of buying an M3 Pro 16” this summer, but maybe I should wait then

I wait until the new release, and then look at the refurbished store to get a discount on the last generation model. I do this every four years or so.

I do this technique too, and it's a great time for it. The OLED screen on the new iPad signals that Apple devices are moving to a better panel. If you've been waiting for the right time to move off an Intel Mac and onto a SoC Mac, it's now. Pick up a refurbished M2 MacBook. They're in the sweet spot for support, power, and cost.

The next one will probably have an OLED screen; so if you wait til then, your refurb M1/2/3 will be on Apple's short list of devices they don't want to support. (And you might have panel FOMO.) Or you'll have to pay the premium price for the latest model.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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The most incredible thing about the new iPads is that even with the crazy fast M4 chip MS Teams manages to crawl to a halt. Clearly it takes all the engineering skills of the largest and most valuable software company in the world to make text entry go at about 1 fps on a chip as powerful as the M4.

Every character you type results in some sort of hit to their telemetry server. It will include the actual letter you typed, if you or your org are not configured to be in EU. With their EU configuration option (pulled from server every launch) it will only report the fact that you typed _something_. Now if that's not fun enough, their telemetry also covers mouse movements. Go ahead and watch your CPU as you spin you…

I’m in the EU and should have the EU configuration.

The problem mainly occurs when I mention someone in a reply to a thread. Once I type @ the text input just slows down so much I can type much faster than it can render the text.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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The most incredible thing about the new iPads is that even with the crazy fast M4 chip MS Teams manages to crawl to a halt. Clearly it takes all the engineering skills of the largest and most valuable software company in the world to make text entry go at about 1 fps on a chip as powerful as the M4.

Teams on the desktop has improved with their "v2" client. It's not the world's fastest piece of software, but I find it to not be embarrassingly slow now (on a reasonably specced machine).

One as to hope that the same perfomance lens will now be turned on the mobile apps.

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