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Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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Re: Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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Post by M95D »

shadowgovt wrote: post #184
M95D wrote: post #177

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> Compare and contrast the relatively lax requirements to get a driver's license with the incredibly stringent rules around getting a pilot's license And what is your argument? We should let the surveilance replace the driver exam? As in "you didn't speed this month, we'll let you keep your license" ?

Let the surveillance augment the driver's test. Because Lord knows we aren't spending more money on the test or retesting, but the surveillance is cheap. > You didn't speed this month we'll let you keep your license Honestly, why not? Professional drivers are monitored; let's extend that to every vehicle on the road.

Because it won't apply to every vehicle on the road! There will be exceptions, and then even more exceptions, and then you will wonder why the inequality on the roads... Some people are more equal than others.

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Post by exe34 »

hiatus wrote: post #153
HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #64

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How so?

Turn off the car in a place without service, can't turn it back on?

for just $100 per month, you can have a dedicated server connection over starlink to fetch an authorisation token start your car anywhere supported. terms and conditions apply.

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Post by steelframe »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #112
steelframe wrote: post #31

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You can probably just enable Airplane Mode on your phone and expect that to work fine.

Modern cars have their own internal GPS and cellular links. Even if they don't have mapping, it's probably still there, always on for tracking and compass bearing.

My 2024 Toyota has a DCM fuse that I've removed. No telemetry is being broadcast to anyone because the transmitter doesn't have any power.

Regardless, most of my around-town trips I do by bicycle.

Re: Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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Post by shadowgovt »

M95D wrote: post #191
shadowgovt wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let the surveillance augment the driver's test. Because Lord knows we aren't spending more money on the test or retesting, but the surveillance is cheap. > You didn't speed this month we'll let you keep your license Honestly, why not? Professional drivers are monitored; let's extend that to every vehicle on the road.

Because it won't apply to every vehicle on the road! There will be exceptions, and then even more exceptions, and then you will wonder why the inequality on the roads... Some people are more equal than others.

Some people already are.

We could have that inequality and a safer road at the same time as opposed to just the inequality.

As it stands right now, those who should be trusted the least are the least monitored.

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Post by spockz »

kobalsky wrote: post #147
spockz wrote: post #139

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In my case I can’t drive my car then because the RF also handles the location beacon which is required for the class 3 alarm system which is needed for the insurance. Without insurance you can’t drive. So there are many situations where unfortunately this is not an option.

I don't live in the US but when the insurance wanted my car "lo-jacked" I just changed to a different insurance company, it's still a choice.

Indeed. However, in NL, there are very few insurers that insure cars above a certain value without these class 3 systems. The threshold value differs slightly but for the larger family cars (especially better equipped ones) they almost all meet the requirements for higher class security. Luckily none of the "driving style" measurements though.

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Post by [deleted] »

richjdsmith wrote: post #138
Zigurd wrote: post #35

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It's been since 3G that I delved into baseband specs in any depth, but I would not trust a powered up phone not to be commanded to connect to a network.

Or even a phone that is "off". Newer iphones (11+) can be found through the FindMy network, even when the device is off. https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/21/ios-15-here-are-the-devices-t...

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Re: Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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Post by M95D »

shadowgovt wrote: post #194
M95D wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it won't apply to every vehicle on the road! There will be exceptions, and then even more exceptions, and then you will wonder why the inequality on the roads... Some people are more equal than others.

Some people already are. We could have that inequality and a safer road at the same time as opposed to just the inequality. As it stands right now, those who should be trusted the least are the least monitored.

In my country, if there's someone speeding, then I can safely follow him/her a couple hundred meters behind with the same speed. If there's police on the road, he/she will get stopped and get a ticket (or not, if he's "more equal") and I have the time to slow down. We're equal.

If the car gives my location and speed, only those people will be able to break the law and I won't. More inequality than now.

Re: Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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Post by shadowgovt »

M95D wrote: post #197
shadowgovt wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people already are. We could have that inequality and a safer road at the same time as opposed to just the inequality. As it stands right now, those who should be trusted the least are the least monitored.

In my country, if there's someone speeding, then I can safely follow him/her a couple hundred meters behind with the same speed. If there's police on the road, he/she will get stopped and get a ticket (or not, if he's "more equal") and I have the time to slow down. We're equal. If the car gives my location and speed, only those people will be able to break the law and I won't. More inequality than now.

Why can they speed and you can't?

... oh, are you assuming their car will be allowed on the road without the tools to properly track it? I was assuming that as those tools become cheap they become mandatory to operate on public roads (i.e. toll roads or passive highway traffic monitors can serve as checkpoints: scan car transponders and license plates, match them up, identify vehicles on the road without transponders, flag them for intercept by police. Or, easier: transponder functionality is an inspection requirement and if your transponder is out, you don't pass inspection and you can't legally operate on public roads).

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