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First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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The designation of trillion is ambiguous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion

my understanding is the long scale has largely died out think it is more than permissible to use what is scientifically standard (trillion = 10^12)

Died out in English. Not in other languages where long scale was and is used, that hasn't changed at all. I'm not aware of any other language shifting from long scale to short scale (for languages traditionally using long scale).

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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>We can spot the orphan stars at this distance. Can we resolve these individual orphan stars? Or just see the cumulative glow from a lot of them?

Note that there are two different announcements today, and I need to clarify my comment above. • One piece cited viewing 1.5 trillion stars in the Perseus cluster of galaxies, which is 240 million ly distance: https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/news/first-pictures-from-euclid... • The other cited spotted stars in galaxy cluster Abell 2390, which is in the Pegasus constellation, which is 2.7 billion ly away — an order of ma…

Abell clusters are really cool to image if you can see some of the closer ones. The deer tick galaxies are really neat

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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The stars near us in the Milky Way are tens of light years away, and we’ll have to do some incredible science and technology to visit them. How much worse would it be if you were an intelligent life form on a planet orbiting one of those orphans, and the nearest star was a thousand, ten thousand, even a million light years away?

One word. Time warps.

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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Not just stars, it implies there’s a lot of planets, asteroids, etc tossed out there.

I suspect in any solar system, the mass of the non-stars are a rounding error compared to the whole system's mass.

The sun accounts for 99.9+% of the solar system mass if I recall correctly

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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I suspect in any solar system, the mass of the non-stars are a rounding error compared to the whole system's mass.

The sun accounts for 99.9+% of the solar system mass if I recall correctly

Close it’s ~99.85% excluding the ort cloud. However there’s a major bias towards smaller stars because they last longer though conversely they are harder to detect.

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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At some point, given the universe's expansion, galaxies will be moving away so fast that the observable universe will be just one galaxy. Already, the effective rate from galaxies far away is actually faster than the speed of light. Even at light speeds, we cannot reach 94% of them as we would never catch up if we left today. In cosmic scales of many billions of years, observers on every galaxy will eventually think…

> In cosmic scales of many billions of years, observers on every galaxy will eventually think that their galaxy is the only one that has ever existed. Unless of course some of them manage to find ways to preserve information and keep records over those billions of years. The lost galaxies will be known from that.

But the information would still be forever locked away in its own galactic island. Even transmitting at the speed of light, the information could never reach any other galaxy. So no, in this far future, a galaxy would only be able to know itself.

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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The designation of trillion is ambiguous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion

Same for one billion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion I've never heard someone use the long scale, it is only ever mentioned as a novelty. I think the scientific community, at the very least, has standardized on the short scale.

Agreed that the short scale has become more prevalent, lamentably. I find 6n more pleasing than 3n+3.

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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The stars near us in the Milky Way are tens of light years away, and we’ll have to do some incredible science and technology to visit them. How much worse would it be if you were an intelligent life form on a planet orbiting one of those orphans, and the nearest star was a thousand, ten thousand, even a million light years away?

Might be much harder to bootstrap your astronomy in that situation as well.

As I understand, we built much of our picture of the universe on the fact that we can do precise parallax measurements of nearby stars.

Then we used that to see how far the nearby Cepheid variable stars are, and used the patterns those exhibit to measure distant galaxies. Then at some point we could determine the distance to a certain kind of supernova, and now we have a 3D model of the whole observable universe.

But it starts with parallax measurements which are limited in range.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/cosmology-standard-candle-not-...

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