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First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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The designation of trillion is ambiguous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion

my understanding is the long scale has largely died out think it is more than permissible to use what is scientifically standard (trillion = 10^12)

“Scientifically standard” are the SI prefixes. So, given the ambiguity of what 1 gigastar is (1/1000th of 1 terastar or a really huge star?) one should say “10¹²s of stars” maybe.

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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The designation of trillion is ambiguous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion

Same for one billion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion I've never heard someone use the long scale, it is only ever mentioned as a novelty. I think the scientific community, at the very least, has standardized on the short scale.

OTOH the phrase “a thousand million” for 10⁹ is not that uncommon. From what I've seen, in places where billions/trillions are mentioned and it's important that the number is accurately specified, a representation with digits or the exponent of 10 are typically provided.

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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The long scale is common in French, German and Spanish for example. English usually uses the short scale. The scientific community uses SI prefixes, which aren't part of either scale (you don't say a billion joules which is ambiguous, you either say a terajoule for a long-scale billion or a gigajoule for a short-scale one).

what? the scientific community absolutely also uses billion and trillion by short scale it’s all over papers and nobody is ever using the long scale that i’ve seen

Are those papers in English? Long scale may be translated to short scale if the paper is translated from the original language where long scale is common.

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what? the scientific community absolutely also uses billion and trillion by short scale it’s all over papers and nobody is ever using the long scale that i’ve seen

Are those papers in English? Long scale may be translated to short scale if the paper is translated from the original language where long scale is common.

yes, i'm talking about the scientific community - papers are almost exclusively published in english or with an english version. long scale translated to short scale would be a mistranslation, imo

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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post #21

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my understanding is the long scale has largely died out think it is more than permissible to use what is scientifically standard (trillion = 10^12)

“Scientifically standard” are the SI prefixes. So, given the ambiguity of what 1 gigastar is (1/1000th of 1 terastar or a really huge star?) one should say “10¹²s of stars” maybe.

Yes, the SI prefixes are one example of something that is scientifically standard. The short scale is another.

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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We can spot the orphan stars at this distance. However, Euclid needs to turn to closer targets than the Pegasus cluster to spot rogue planets. https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/may/23/eucl... . In this case, it found dozens of rogue planets in the Orion nebula, which is only 1,500 ly away. I am presuming there are also going to be great numbers of rogue planets in deep space, not tied to any star or ga…

>We can spot the orphan stars at this distance.

Can we resolve these individual orphan stars? Or just see the cumulative glow from a lot of them?

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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Same for one billion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion I've never heard someone use the long scale, it is only ever mentioned as a novelty. I think the scientific community, at the very least, has standardized on the short scale.

The long scale is far from just a novelty, most European countries other than the UK use it. Actually I thought it was used in all non-English-speaking countries, but Wikipedia showed me that the situation is far more complicated than I thought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#/media/F... Besides short scale and long scale, there is a sizable "short scale with milliard instead of billion" fraction…

almost all scientific writing i can find from people in portugal uses the short scale. english formal communication has standardized around the short scale

Re: First pictures from Euclid satellite reveal billions of orphan stars

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We can spot the orphan stars at this distance. However, Euclid needs to turn to closer targets than the Pegasus cluster to spot rogue planets. https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/may/23/eucl... . In this case, it found dozens of rogue planets in the Orion nebula, which is only 1,500 ly away. I am presuming there are also going to be great numbers of rogue planets in deep space, not tied to any star or ga…

It would be interesting to calculate how much these stars contribute to the mass deficit of the universe.
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