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Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Whats up with the 'surprised' comments about ddg? I don't like ddg myself, but it has never been a secret that they base their results on bing.

now I know why their results are so trash. switched to kagi a few years ago and it has been quite nice.

Paying for search results? Come on, we're not that desperate.

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post #321

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But are they? Not asking for the contract side here but for the technical aspect. If DDG relies mostly on Bing and it fails forever in the future, they can "simply" make a contract with google and continue whatever they were doing. Same for OpenAI. Its not that Bing is the only search engine index on the web is it ? So yes, it would mean they have to spend a lot of manpower in a short time. On the other hand, how lik…

What makes you think that Google would agree to such a deal?

That they've been making those deals with other search engines for a long time (e.g. Kagi, Startpage, Mullvad Leta).

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now I know why their results are so trash. switched to kagi a few years ago and it has been quite nice.

Paying for search results? Come on, we're not that desperate.

Totally worth it. Very happy to see a small startup start eating into this space and happy to support them.

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Probably. But DDG at least offers more privacy, right? Right?

DDG has a history of breaching privacy: https://techcrunch.com/2022/05/24/ddg-microsoft-tracking-blo... Meanwhile Brave Search or Mojeek provide more privacy, being independent at the same time.

> Brave Search or Mojeek provide more privacy

Do they? Or have they just not had that "history" yet? I don't see anything fundamentally different in Brave that protects your and my privacy better than on DDG. I don't know Mojeek enough.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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post #337

I love the acknowledgement that DDG put on their page. We're currently experiencing an issue with DuckDuckGo Search. Thanks for your patience while we get our ducks in a row. In the meantime, you can use other search engines right here by using "bangs" So fun and straightforward.

Took them several hours to put that message there though.

Often the case with US-based companies that have outages during "office hours in Europe". We, europeans see it going down. Communication on why, how and ETAs only appear at the start of the US day.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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I love the acknowledgement that DDG put on their page. We're currently experiencing an issue with DuckDuckGo Search. Thanks for your patience while we get our ducks in a row. In the meantime, you can use other search engines right here by using "bangs" So fun and straightforward.

Interesting how they insist that they use "so much more" than just Bing for their results, but the moment Bing goes down their search functionality is down entirely, unable to show a single result.

I definitely felt misled, when I first learned about this, back when they censored Tank Man the same time Bing did[0]. I did remain a user though, mostly because I haven't felt like keeping up who the current good guys are. Lately I have been considering Kagi, but I don't like it that I need to log in on all my devices, and then I have to have a fallback, for when I'm not on my own devices.

So yeah, for my intents and purposes, DDG is a frontend to Bing. I do appreciate how uncluttered it is though, in comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man#Censorship

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How do search engines relate to animals and biodiversity? They seem to be completely unrelated things.

Because sponsored links are the single biggest source of revenue on the web! It's a $200-300 billion market, with Google owning more than 90% of it. If just 1% of Google users switch to KARMA, it will fund the actions of its non-profit partners to the tune of $1 billion per year! Switching is free and effortless, it only takes a few seconds...

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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post #173

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Genuine question, are distributed systems naturally more resilient? I can see arguments for both sides. Your point and then the hidden failure modes without central observability and ownership. Nothing exists in isolation.

Not distributed per se, but diversity makes a huge difference in resilience. When everybody is using the exact same tech, the fall out of an incident can be huge because it will affect everybody everywhere at the same time. Superficially it might seem efficient and smart, but the end result is fragility. Diversity of species is what nature ended up with as the ultimate solution: the individual species do not matter,…

I prefer heterogeneity rather than diversity. Different implementations of similar processes fenerally make different tradeoffs, incurring different bottlenecks, and resulting in an ecosystem with a higher statistical probability that one relative Black Swan won't wipe out a key structural function in it's totality.

It's actually a hallmark of building fault tolerant systems and ecosystems. Pity the economists and MBA's can't be convinced of it. Otherwise there'd be less push to create TBTF institutions.

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