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OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by TuringNYC »

johnbellone wrote: post #348
eps wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless they can clearly demostrate reproducing the voice from raw voice actor recordings, this could be just a parallel construction to cover their asses for exactly this sort of case.

Intent matters. When discovery happens and there’s a trail of messages suggesting either getting ScarJo or finding someone that sounds enough like her this isn’t going to look good with all the other events in timeline. If it goes to court, they’ll settle.

>> When discovery happens and there’s a trail of messages suggesting either getting ScarJo or finding someone that sounds enough like her this isn’t going to look good with all the other events in timeline.

I'm not a lawyer, but this seems unfair to the voice actor they did use, and paid, who happens to sound like ScarJo (or vice versa!)

So if I sound like a famous person, then I cant monetize my own voice? Who's to say it isnt the other way around, perhaps it is ScarJo that sounds like me and i'm owed money?

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by madaxe_again »

abhinavk wrote: post #494
JCharante wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The voice was called Sky and OpenAI wasn't using her likeness to promote the voice or product. She isn't that well known, I didn't even know she was in Her. There's 1 billion English speakers, there are going to be voice overlaps.

SCarlett AI. Sky. I know it's a reach but along with the Her tweet, you never know.

Yes, and they released in May 2024 = 05/(2+0+2+4) which is 0.625, which proves it for sure.

Come on, we don’t have to resort to reading entrails.

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by lumost »

Unless they can point to a voice actor that they did copy. It will be very difficult for them to prove that it wasn't trained to replicate Scarlett Johansen. Was the model trained on movies? were annotators instructed to compare to the movie "Her" - lots of ways to see this become problematic.

The fact that Sam Altman was requesting a licensing deal days before launch would suggest that they had a known problem that the model was too close to Scarlett Johansen's voice. In the generous case, this could come down to a few documents from product conception indicating that they wanted the model to replicate the movie "Her."

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by TheJoeMan »

tibbon wrote: post #508

Is someone's voice their IP? Is it more-valuable property because they are famous? What type of IP? Trademark? Without their name and image in combination, is a voice/likeness actually defensible? Training a computer to have any actual-human sounding voice is likely to almost match someone's voice. I haven't taken an IP class since 2004, but I'm not sure if there's a real case here is there?

Totally anecdotal, but I have no idea who is the voice of Siri. And if I met them, I as a layperson would think “you sound like Siri” not vice-versa like this case.

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Post by glenstein »

stavros wrote: post #509
zug_zug wrote: post #481

When I first used ChatGPT's voice assistant's I was like "Wow, this one is clearly Scarlett Johansson from Her, they even copy her mannerisms." No amount of unverifiable "records" (just pieces of paper provided by somebody who has a multimillion dollar incentive to show one outcome) will change my mind. But if they can produce the actual voice artist I'd be more open-minded.

Funny, I'm the opposite. I saw clips from the film after the controversy (it's been ten years since I saw the film itself) and Sky sounds nothing like Johansson to me. No amount of unverifiable "records".

And then there's me, and I'm somewhere in the middle. When I first heard that voice, I didn't really think anything of it. But retrospectively given the media reporting from Sam Altman tweeting about the movie and the reports of approaching Scarlet Johansson, I can make that connection. But I would not have without the context. And without real reporting I would have dismissed it all as speculation.

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Post by m_ke »

stavros wrote: post #509
zug_zug wrote: post #481

When I first used ChatGPT's voice assistant's I was like "Wow, this one is clearly Scarlett Johansson from Her, they even copy her mannerisms." No amount of unverifiable "records" (just pieces of paper provided by somebody who has a multimillion dollar incentive to show one outcome) will change my mind. But if they can produce the actual voice artist I'd be more open-minded.

Funny, I'm the opposite. I saw clips from the film after the controversy (it's been ten years since I saw the film itself) and Sky sounds nothing like Johansson to me. No amount of unverifiable "records".

1. The sky voice currently available in the app is a different model from the one they presented (one is pure TTS, the new one in GPT-4o is a proper multi modal model that can do speech in and out end to end)

2. Look at these images and tell me they didn't intend to replicate "Her": https://x.com/michalwols/status/1792709377528647995

Re: OpenAI didn’t copy Scarlett Johansson’s voice for ChatGPT, records show

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Post by sobellian »

It's a sign of the times when OpenAI tacitly encourages forming a relationship with a computer system, and controversy erupts over IP rights for voice actors.

Higher-minded discussions certainly take place on a range of issues in AI. Can I rely on my AI to tell the truth? Is it ethical to use an AI for military applications? How do I make sure my AI doesn't turn into Archie Bunker? Even (IMO) fringe issues like whether it will exterminate humanity.

It would seem that those are rather abstract concerns. It would seem that your average person mostly cares about who's getting paid.

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Post by [deleted] »

ActionHank wrote: post #487
serial_dev wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, to me, it's just sounds like they know how to cover all their bases. To me, it sounds like they had the idea to make their AI sound like "her". For the initial version, they had a voice actor that sounds like the movie, as a proof of concept. They still liked it, so it was time to contact the real star. In the end, it's not just the voice, it would have been the brand, just imagine the buzz they would h…

This will be used as a template by the entertainment industry to screw over so many people.

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Post by Uehreka »

ActionHank wrote: post #487
serial_dev wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, to me, it's just sounds like they know how to cover all their bases. To me, it sounds like they had the idea to make their AI sound like "her". For the initial version, they had a voice actor that sounds like the movie, as a proof of concept. They still liked it, so it was time to contact the real star. In the end, it's not just the voice, it would have been the brand, just imagine the buzz they would h…

This will be used as a template by the entertainment industry to screw over so many people.

How? This kind of thing is already illegal. If I’m producing a commercial for Joe’s Hot Dogs, and I hire a voice actor who sounds like Morgan Freeman, and he never says “I’m Morgan Freeman” but he’s the main voice in the commercial and the cartoon character he’s voicing looks like Morgan Freeman… well, many consumers will be confused into thinking Morgan Freeman likes Joe’s Hot Dogs, and that’s a violation of Morgan Freeman’s trademark.
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