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Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by ricardo81 »

mrweasel wrote: post #94

Is it just me or is it really weird that neither Microsoft, or ANY of the search engines that uses Bing on the backend has posted anything about this? DuckDuckGo and Ecosia has not been working all morning (CET) but there is zero indication on their sites that they are even aware of the problem. DuckDuckGo has a single Reddit posts and that's it.

Because DDG markets itself as privacy focused, yet is hosted on MS servers.

Ecosia make a lot about their green credentials but it's not obvious if they factor in the CO2 output of what Bing requires to product results.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by bdcravens »

hawk_ wrote: post #172
ikt wrote: post #46

I duno how this isn't getting more views tbh Ecosia and Duckduckgo and Bing are down, there's at least 5% of the search engine market (the non-google part) down at the moment

I know ecosia relies on bing but why does this affect DDG? Do they internally use bing as well?

https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources

"Of course, we have more traditional links and images in our search results too, which we largely source from Bing."

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by jraph »

us0r wrote: post #153
mhuffman wrote: post #141

Can't wait to find out what happened here. This seems to be a massive outage. Interesting how fragile things become when so much technology is concentrated into just a few companies.

My money is on expired domain somewhere or security certificate.

A Windows update restarted a critical server automatically. A core service is blocked from starting by a Candy Crush ad installed by the update. The Crandy Crush ad is somehow expecting a Copilot key to be pressed on the keyboard to let the system keep going.

MS engineers are waiting for an online purchase of a new $400 keyboard with the Copilot key to complete and planning to run to the data center to plug the keyboard.

However, the Bing outage is preventing the purchase to go through, because the payment somehow relies on Bing suggestions to load for obscure reasons.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by CWuestefeld »

Dalewyn wrote: post #160
radiorental wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine question, are distributed systems naturally more resilient? I can see arguments for both sides. Your point and then the hidden failure modes without central observability and ownership. Nothing exists in isolation.

>are distributed systems naturally more resilient? All else being equal: Yes. It's like asking if a RAID1 is more resilient than a single drive.

To the GP's point - if you lose the RAID controller, then you've lost a whole lot more than just a single drive failure.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by rvnx »

deutschepost wrote: post #165
michael9423 wrote: post #151

So much about DuckDuckGo's claim that Bing is only a part of their search results.

I‘m pretty sure it was always just a proxy for bing. Just stripping away the Microsoft tracking. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27394925

If you use Bing: You have "only" Microsoft Bing tracking you

If you use DuckDuckGo: Now, you have "Yahoo Ads" instead of Microsoft Ads, but these ads, they are in fact Microsoft Ads, except sold via Yahoo.

In front of these Yahoo Ads, DuckDuckGo actually adds its own click-through tracker.

Now you have DDG, Yahoo and Microsoft tracking you.

Bonus point if you click on an Amazon affiliate link, because in that case, the Amazon affiliate (DuckDuckGo) knows item-per-item what you purchased.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by leokennis »

michael9423 wrote: post #151

So much about DuckDuckGo's claim that Bing is only a part of their search results.

Some DDG results still work, mostly the "instant answer" cards like word definitions.

As far as I know, DDG's claim was mainly that they use Bing, but that Bing is unable to see/corellate who searched for what. Basically that DDG acts as an anonymity proxy between you and Bing.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by mrweasel »

beAbU wrote: post #130
mrweasel wrote: post #94

Is it just me or is it really weird that neither Microsoft, or ANY of the search engines that uses Bing on the backend has posted anything about this? DuckDuckGo and Ecosia has not been working all morning (CET) but there is zero indication on their sites that they are even aware of the problem. DuckDuckGo has a single Reddit posts and that's it.

I went looking for a DDG status page this morning before seeing this link on HN. Google found a tweet from them earlier today with an announcement [1] I'm pretty surprised that I'm unable to find a dedicated status page for DDG - kinda horrible that I need to rely on twitter/reddit in order to know that they are having issues. I'm also a little tickled by the fact that I need to search "Duck Duck Go status !g" in ord…

That statement in that tweet is also strange, but it's the same for Qwant and Ecosia now. I wonder if they are contractually not allowed to state that there are issues with Bing, or if others are correct in that they really don't want to be to public about the Bing dependency.
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