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Re: US Justice Department to seek breakup of Live Nation-Ticketmaster

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Post by nickff »

nerdponx wrote: post #161
nickff wrote: post #146

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https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j... There is a great deal of documentation and discussion, but this document covers some of it, here are a couple of on-topic quotes: > "Documents from and testimony by FTC managers show that Chair Khan marginalized the litigators and investigators at the FTC who had the skills necessary to win cases." > "One manager consulted with his team and reported to t…

This is a document with an overt political agenda and should be taken with a bucketful of salt.

There are a number of other sources which describe the issues, if you care to look for them https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4520745

Re: US Justice Department to seek breakup of Live Nation-Ticketmaster

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #157
jimbokun wrote: post #99

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How dare politicians implement popular policies to appeal to voters!

I think the objection is the timing. If the administration truly cared about such things, they'd do them in non-election years. But they seem to save up these things for election years so people feel listened to.

I’m confused about why you’re so opposed to the biggest climate legislation package ever signed into law.

Re: US Justice Department to seek breakup of Live Nation-Ticketmaster

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Post by ryandrake »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #185
ajdude wrote: post #163

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That's just not feasible for people who don't have the means to simply fly to Europe to see a band. Sometimes it's a once in a lifetime chance that your favorite band happens to be in your city

Of course it's feasible. Nobody is saying "go to Europe", they are saying to not go to concerts. To effect change, you have to make sacrifices.

Exactly. This is not a food company. We're talking about a product (live event tickets) that is totally optional and which nobody has to buy. This should be the simplest "vote with your wallet" scenario ever. If everyone collectively stopped buying the tickets, they'd either be out of business or be forced to change their practices. People like their bands more than they dislike Ticketmaster, so TM is not going to voluntarily change.

Re: US Justice Department to seek breakup of Live Nation-Ticketmaster

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Post by laidoffamazon »

klyrs wrote: post #166
laidoffamazon wrote: post #70

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Election year is 25% of a single administration's term, why should events be ignored 25% of the time?

In this case, because I don't expect Biden to win another term and I expect the prosecution of this case to take longer than a year. The last several administrations have opened their term by tearing down everything that the prior administration had done. To be specific: I'm not confident the prosecutor behind this will have a job at the end of the year.

I genuinely think that if Biden does not win another term there are far larger problems for the American project than Ticketmaster, including democracy existing as we know it today.

Re: US Justice Department to seek breakup of Live Nation-Ticketmaster

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Post by cbsmith »

nickff wrote: post #28
cbsmith wrote: post #11

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I'm theory, prosecutions are a civil service function, not a political function. Changes in administration might change the leadership and what areas are prioritized, but once you have a case, it really shouldn't matter who is in office. In theory.

What theory is this from, some sort of administrative state theory? This has never been the case in any executive branch that I'm aware of.

The independence of the DOJ has always been perceived as important. A lot of ink was spilt about this during the Trump administration, as they attempted to undermine these norms (e.g.: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/restoring-integrity...), with some degree of success. You may recall Trump's various battles to get the DOJ to do things that the DOJ didn't want to do (and unfortunately, in some cases, he did get his way, but a lot of the time, he did not). One of the key objectives of Project 2025 is to claim control of the operations of the DOJ from the "unaccountable bureaucratic managerial class and radical Left ideologues who have embedded themselves throughout its offices and components": https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHA...

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Post by cbsmith »

nickff wrote: post #73
Retric wrote: post #44

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The vast majority of cases aren’t dropped when you move from one administration to another. However, there’s a great deal of correlation between cases people care about and politics so you’re more likely to hear about the kinds of cases that get dropped.

I agree that most political factions actually agree on most policies, but that doesn’t mean the decision as to whether to proceed is ‘civil service’ rather than ‘political’.

Agreed. It largely immaterial to the issue. I'm curious though, what political appointees in the DOJ do you see evidence of making decisions to drop or pick up specific cases?

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Post by MyFedora »

its_ethan wrote: post #72
janalsncm wrote: post #49

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It would be pretty interesting if certain departments in the government could get direct payments. For example if the last $100 on your taxes you could choose any department to allocate to.

I've always wondered what government funding would look like if taxpayers could allocate their tax dollars at their own discretion. I don't think it would be all that functional in practice, but the idea of it seems interesting.

Sounds like any government with little to no taxes to me. Do you want anything? Pay for it. No subsidized social services. No nothing. Pay up.

Re: US Justice Department to seek breakup of Live Nation-Ticketmaster

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Post by dan_atem17 »

ajdude wrote: post #163
throwaway5959 wrote: post #156

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Not going to live music, at least in the US.

That's just not feasible for people who don't have the means to simply fly to Europe to see a band. Sometimes it's a once in a lifetime chance that your favorite band happens to be in your city

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