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Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by snapplebobapple »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #81
snapplebobapple wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than that, it ignores the fundamental principle that America is founded on: I paid for it STFU. If there is actual market failure due to externalities then get the votes to raise the cost to cover the externalities (i.e though a carbon tax), but don't think your judgement calls on who should be able to do what should have any bearing on reality. Raise the price until your externality is properly priced or until…

Better start would be petrol not aviation fuel

Thats the beauty of a carbon tax. It doesnt care, you emit, you pay. Done right it makes no judgements, it just makes emitting cost more and then lets people decide if they still want to emit or not.

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by krapp »

khazhoux wrote: post #100
croes wrote: post #95

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>but also smarter Smarter? Have you seen his Twitter timeline? He falls for nearly every fake news and conspiracy theory. We aren't threatened by Dave Grohl because he doesn't use his social media outreach to promote right wing conspiracy BS.

Yeah he’s an idiot on twitter. But he’s still smarter than both of us. Or I guess I shouldn’t include you in that, in case your day job happens to involve conducting high-level business and engineering reviews of manned spacecraft like Elon does.

Do you remember the "code review" debacle after Elon took over Twitter? Of course HN thought it was genius[0] but outside of the Elon hugbox the premise of being told to print out the last 30 days of code you wrote to justify your job is absurd and clueless. It's the sort of thing someone who's trying too hard to appear clever would do.

Do you really think Elon is like that with Twitter - not just an idiot on it but according to all evidence also while running it - yet somehow doing in depth high-level technical reviews of his own spacecraft like he's Geordi LaForge? Looking at the blueprints while sipping coffee and telling the engineers that if they only invert the polarity of the neutron flow, the engines could get another 10% efficiency by harnessing negative energy from the Casimir Effect or some nonsense?

He's smart but it should be obvious he's not nearly the world class polymath billionaire playboy inventor he's been hyped up to be. His companies work because he surrounds himself with people smarter than he is, and because those people create cultures that route around his tendencies (which culture doesn't appear to exist at Twitter.) The man brought a fucking sink to Twitter for the sake of a pun like it was the funniest thing ever.

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33379578

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

baseballdork wrote: post #67
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #54

Mark it for a W for privacy. A win for privacy should be celebrated even if the avg person wont (yet) benefit.

Indeed, now I know that when I get my private plane (I'm temporarily not a billionaire) I will also benefit. Privacy isn't some monolithic good. There are, frequently, very good reasons to restrict privacy. Things like the finances of politicians, court proceedings, and the ultra-wealthy flying around in private jets disproportionally dumping C02 into the atmosphere all seem to be worth sacrificing a little privacy.

Full privacy for private individuals.

Full transparency for public officials, all types.

If you are on the public dole, you forego your right to privacy.

Its not that difficult.

I don't consider a jet, of any ownership, to be fair game. If you want to go after pollution, then do it. Removing privacy is not an acceptable substitute.

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

consp wrote: post #22
gregors wrote: post #15

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Wealthy people have enough sway to get the laws written they want. It's nothing new. Our politicians are legally bought and paid servants.

> Our politicians are legally bought and paid servants. Isn't that illegal? (... withdraws into ignorance cave)

Dig up and ask John McCain how successful campaign finance reform was. I'll wait. ;@)

Or: Bob "gold bars" Menendez, Rudy Giuliani selling pardons for $2M USD, or almost every form of paid lobbying and campaign fundraising.

(Cooome baaack. Thhhhe caaaave issss tooo darrrk.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_...

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by bradknowles »

snapplebobapple wrote: post #74
ImAnAmateur wrote: post #28

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Its frustrating because it buries better points under mud. The effective way to reduce jet emissions is not to publicly rag on the people who have the money to use the service. I would go so far as to say that the author does not actually care about the subject at all, only perhaps being able to deride others to prop themselves up as not as bad as them. The subject as presented like this leaves little room for talk a…

More than that, it ignores the fundamental principle that America is founded on: I paid for it STFU. If there is actual market failure due to externalities then get the votes to raise the cost to cover the externalities (i.e though a carbon tax), but don't think your judgement calls on who should be able to do what should have any bearing on reality. Raise the price until your externality is properly priced or until…

Haven’t you heard? One dollar == one vote.

So, who has all the dollars, and therefore all the votes?

If you don’t have any dollars to buy off your entity in Congress, then how are you going to get the laws changed?

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by zzo38computer »

ImAnAmateur wrote: post #28
baryphonic wrote: post #13

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I laughed out loud when I read that. Would expect nothing more from Gizmodo.

Its frustrating because it buries better points under mud. The effective way to reduce jet emissions is not to publicly rag on the people who have the money to use the service. I would go so far as to say that the author does not actually care about the subject at all, only perhaps being able to deride others to prop themselves up as not as bad as them. The subject as presented like this leaves little room for talk a…

> The subject as presented like this leaves little room for talk about alternatives or ways to reduce jet emissions. It poisons the conversation by starting down the wrong direction.

Well, it is the wrong direction for reducing jet emissions, because the privacy of the registration of private jets isn't what causes or reduces jet emissions. It is a separate issue.

Unfortunately they can be confused with each other. They should have a way to reduce jet emissions, but it is a separate issue from anonymous registration of airplanes, so should be considered too, but this is something else, anyways.

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by khazhoux »

krapp wrote: post #87
khazhoux wrote: post #59

I enjoy the tone of this article, which thinks we are entitled to track the movement of private citizens if it involves too much jet fuel.

Why not? The rich, the police and government track our every movement, word and deed through our technology. Why shouldn't we be able to track them back? If we can't dismantle the pantopticon let's at least make it equitable. Everyone suffers.

Taylor’s not tracking you

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by throwaway51081 »

krapp wrote: post #102
khazhoux wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah he’s an idiot on twitter. But he’s still smarter than both of us. Or I guess I shouldn’t include you in that, in case your day job happens to involve conducting high-level business and engineering reviews of manned spacecraft like Elon does.

Do you remember the "code review" debacle after Elon took over Twitter? Of course HN thought it was genius[0] but outside of the Elon hugbox the premise of being told to print out the last 30 days of code you wrote to justify your job is absurd and clueless. It's the sort of thing someone who's trying too hard to appear clever would do. Do you really think Elon is like that with Twitter - not just an idiot on it but…

Don't forget the story said an assistant wrote the memo. It's very possible Musk said "print" in the programmer sense - like "print to console" - and the assistant misunderstood.

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by readthenotes1 »

throwaway51081 wrote: post #68
readthenotes1 wrote: post #65

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Because taxation works for fairly? Social shaming is completely valid, and powerful. Just ask Ghandi if you don't believe me

There is a direct relationship between fuel usage and carbon dioxide. It's very simple to tax fairly.

Like carbon credits? Pretty sure that's been gamed ...

Re: Congress Just Made It Basically Impossible to Track Taylor Swift's Private Jet

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Post by throwaway51081 »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #109
throwaway51081 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a direct relationship between fuel usage and carbon dioxide. It's very simple to tax fairly.

Like carbon credits? Pretty sure that's been gamed ...

No, like consumption tax. Pretty sure that can't be gamed.
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