Wikimedia Enterprise – APIs for LLMs, AI Training, and More

Post by krainboltgreene » Thu, May 23, 2024, 12:21 AM UTC

miffy900 wrote: post #150

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> And they don't have an OpenAPI spec available to download? So they seriously expect developers to just manually write their own client code by reading and translating those example CURL commands by hand??! This is baby work to literally every programmer I know.

It's also a solved problem that literally no human should have to bother with anymore. Like it was solved with SOAP APIs back in the 2000's. Not to mention the fact that documentation is still always hand-written - which can have mistakes or typos in it, then downstream developers will have to translate that into hand-written client code, which can also have those same mistakes or bugs in it. And when the mistake is…

Post by bawolff » Thu, May 23, 2024, 12:34 AM UTC

bhickey wrote: post #149

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> I was comparing technical infrastructure costs to award/grant costs No, you were comparing a small part of technical infrastructure costs to grant cost. Is every dollar spent mission critical to running wikipedia? Obviously not. But that doesn't mean its runnable on 3 million dollars.

> No, you were comparing a small part of technical infrastructure costs to grant cost. I have no control over how WMF presents its expenses. For years WMF foundation has run "we need money or Wikipedia will die" ads while spending a quarter of the budget on making grants. No one forced them to write that ad copy. It's progress that they've toned it down, but we shouldn't pretend that this criticism is surprising or c…

Post by threecheese » Thu, May 23, 2024, 2:40 AM UTC

JimDabell wrote: post #135

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An engineer costs $500k a year. Salary, benefits, office space, equipment, hr, legal, and other overhead. The engineer will only see a fraction of that, of course. If you told me it took a hundred engineers to run Wikipedia I'd say, that's not totally unreasonable. Features, design, api, scaling, moderation, there's a ton for engineers to be doing.

An engineer doesn’t cost $500k/yr. An engineer who lives in one of the highest cost-of-living places on earth costs $500k/yr. There’s absolutely no reason Wikimedia needs to pay that much.

Post by riku_iki » Thu, May 23, 2024, 3:14 AM UTC

nextaccountic wrote: post #156

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this is good proposal, but it is far from what we have and not clear if it will happen.

But now unfortunately the Wikimedia foundation has a motive to block such a proposal, in order to not threaten their revenue stream And that's the problem with making money off convenience. If the free thing becomes better, then it cannibalizes the paid stuff. So if you take this approach to funding, you will want the free tier to be perpetually bad as much as possible.

Post by graemep » Thu, May 23, 2024, 9:05 AM UTC

bawolff wrote: post #153

bhickey wrote: post #149

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> No, you were comparing a small part of technical infrastructure costs to grant cost. I have no control over how WMF presents its expenses. For years WMF foundation has run "we need money or Wikipedia will die" ads while spending a quarter of the budget on making grants. No one forced them to write that ad copy. It's progress that they've toned it down, but we shouldn't pretend that this criticism is surprising or c…

> I have no control over how WMF presents its expenses. You have control over your reading comprehension. You called a number that was a very small portion of the technical infrastructure cost, the technical infrastructure cost. You should also probably split out any of the grants related to technical infrastructure (i presume at least some of this grant money might have historically gone to wikimedia Deutschland to…