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Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by bermuda4you » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:21 PM UTC

bsder wrote: post #15

bermuda4you wrote: post #6

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How do you explain the failed drug decriminalization in Oregon?

No funding ever materialized for the support and treatment programs that were supposed to be part and parcel of the decriminalization. You can't solely decriminalize drugs, throw everybody to the wolves and expect a good outcome.

Oregon already has a large number of safe injection sites, support groups, rehabs, soup kitchens, etc. Like the failed homelessness industrial complex - it's never enough, we just need to spend a few more billions, and then just a few more.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by cpncrunch » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:21 PM UTC

fallingsquirrel wrote: post #17

bermuda4you wrote: post #5

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Legalization of hard drugs doesn't work long term. If you provide all resources to people to enjoy opiates - they will have no incentive to quit. Why is this utopian view so persistent?

If you provide all resources to people to enjoy alcohol, why would anyone quit? Would you argue we should go back to prohibition?

You can safely have a few drinks (or more) and feel normal the next day and go to work. You can't do that with fentanyl.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by alephnerd » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:21 PM UTC

bpiche wrote: post #19

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What OP is referencing:

[0] - https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10890

[1] - https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy1779

[2] - https://www.brookings.edu/events/chinas-role-in-the-smugglin...

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by Fauntleroy » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:22 PM UTC

bpiche wrote: post #19

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While it doesn't encompass the entire issue, China's involvement in the fentanyl (and other US drug crises) should be mentioned more often. America needs to wake up and do something—anything—about this asymmetrical warfare attack.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by pfisch » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:22 PM UTC

bermuda4you wrote: post #6

Clubber wrote: post #4

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I never heard of fentanyl until the government did their crackdown on pills in the 2010s. Regular doctors (not pill mills) were terrified of getting arrested for prescribing them legitimately. When the they started the crackdown, I predicted heroin use would start to spike again, and as we all know, heroin doesn't have the dosage written on the side of a bottle. We've been doing the same shit for 50+ years, and the r…

How do you explain the failed drug decriminalization in Oregon?

Because they actually have a homeless problem and it was conflated with drugs.

They are unwilling to run homeless people out of their cities. San Francisco has the same issues but drugs aren't legal there.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by mensetmanusman » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:22 PM UTC

phone8675309 wrote: post #3

When do we say "enough" to all of these death and just legalize opiates? Fentanyl's rise is 100% attributable to smuggling in drugs due to the War on Drugs. It allows the smugglers to move the maximum potency with the minimum risk and minimum quantity. Drug smuggling is a business, and as long as opiates remain illegal to posses without a prescription than this incentive will dominate. Legalizing opiates, providing s…

We did. The pharma industry prescribed them and got millions addicted, then they took the drugs away, so people turned to Fentanyl.

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:24 PM UTC

jrflowers wrote: post #20

bermuda4you wrote: post #6

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How do you explain the failed drug decriminalization in Oregon?

What was your personal experience with decriminalization in Oregon?

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Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by dev1ycan » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:24 PM UTC

Lol people still talking about Fent but then you have Tranq which is even worse, 5 years from now you'll have the streets filled with limbless people from tranq, horrifying

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by pfisch » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:24 PM UTC

bermuda4you wrote: post #6

Clubber wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never heard of fentanyl until the government did their crackdown on pills in the 2010s. Regular doctors (not pill mills) were terrified of getting arrested for prescribing them legitimately. When the they started the crackdown, I predicted heroin use would start to spike again, and as we all know, heroin doesn't have the dosage written on the side of a bottle. We've been doing the same shit for 50+ years, and the r…

How do you explain the failed drug decriminalization in Oregon?

Also decriminalization doesn't solve the fentanyl problem. That would require regulating drugs and selling them legally.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Post by bermuda4you » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:24 PM UTC

com2kid wrote: post #16

bermuda4you wrote: post #11

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Ah, the "progressive" argument. Let people rot to death, it's the compassionate way.

It is also the libertarian argument: The government shouldn't tell people what to do with their own body. Then again, ideally the government would be hard at working making society nice enough to live in that people don't turn to opiates...

Letting people have full agency in their choices - sure. But not the big government part.