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Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Legalization of hard drugs doesn't work long term. If you provide all resources to people to enjoy opiates - they will have no incentive to quit. Why is this utopian view so persistent?

> you provide all resources to people to enjoy opiates - they will have no incentive to quit. So?

Ah, the "progressive" argument. Let people rot to death, it's the compassionate way.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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When do we say "enough" to all of these death and just legalize opiates? Fentanyl's rise is 100% attributable to smuggling in drugs due to the War on Drugs. It allows the smugglers to move the maximum potency with the minimum risk and minimum quantity. Drug smuggling is a business, and as long as opiates remain illegal to posses without a prescription than this incentive will dominate. Legalizing opiates, providing s…

> Drug smuggling is a business, and as long as opiates remain illegal to posses without a prescription than this incentive will dominate.

I don't really have an opinion on opiates legalization, but I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. It could be legal, but smugglers could still sell cheaper drug with higher potency.

One may wonder why these people get addicted in the first place. It seems rather specific to the US.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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When do we say "enough" to all of these death and just legalize opiates? Fentanyl's rise is 100% attributable to smuggling in drugs due to the War on Drugs. It allows the smugglers to move the maximum potency with the minimum risk and minimum quantity. Drug smuggling is a business, and as long as opiates remain illegal to posses without a prescription than this incentive will dominate. Legalizing opiates, providing s…

Legalization of hard drugs doesn't work long term. If you provide all resources to people to enjoy opiates - they will have no incentive to quit. Why is this utopian view so persistent?

>If you provide all resources to people to enjoy opiates - they will have no incentive to quit.

Why is that a problem exactly?

Also people quit smoking and drinking all the time, has nothing to do with it being legal.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legalization of hard drugs doesn't work long term. If you provide all resources to people to enjoy opiates - they will have no incentive to quit. Why is this utopian view so persistent?

This is a good point. Only prohibition works, which is why the number of opioid deaths have been going down since its inception. It is mystifying why anyone would question the efficacy of the current system

Treatment works. Partial enforcement and pandering don't work.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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I never heard of fentanyl until the government did their crackdown on pills in the 2010s. Regular doctors (not pill mills) were terrified of getting arrested for prescribing them legitimately. When the they started the crackdown, I predicted heroin use would start to spike again, and as we all know, heroin doesn't have the dosage written on the side of a bottle. We've been doing the same shit for 50+ years, and the r…

How do you explain the failed drug decriminalization in Oregon?

No funding ever materialized for the support and treatment programs that were supposed to be part and parcel of the decriminalization.

You can't solely decriminalize drugs, throw everybody to the wolves and expect a good outcome.

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you provide all resources to people to enjoy opiates - they will have no incentive to quit. So?

Ah, the "progressive" argument. Let people rot to death, it's the compassionate way.

It is also the libertarian argument: The government shouldn't tell people what to do with their own body.

Then again, ideally the government would be hard at working making society nice enough to live in that people don't turn to opiates...

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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When do we say "enough" to all of these death and just legalize opiates? Fentanyl's rise is 100% attributable to smuggling in drugs due to the War on Drugs. It allows the smugglers to move the maximum potency with the minimum risk and minimum quantity. Drug smuggling is a business, and as long as opiates remain illegal to posses without a prescription than this incentive will dominate. Legalizing opiates, providing s…

Legalization of hard drugs doesn't work long term. If you provide all resources to people to enjoy opiates - they will have no incentive to quit. Why is this utopian view so persistent?

If you provide all resources to people to enjoy alcohol, why would anyone quit? Would you argue we should go back to prohibition?

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good point. Only prohibition works, which is why the number of opioid deaths have been going down since its inception. It is mystifying why anyone would question the efficacy of the current system

Treatment works. Partial enforcement and pandering don't work.

Exactly. Prohibition puts people into prisons (another word for treatment), where they are rehabilitated in a drug-free environment and emerge productive members of society. This is obvious because

Re: Fentanyl is fueling a record number of youth drug deaths

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never heard of fentanyl until the government did their crackdown on pills in the 2010s. Regular doctors (not pill mills) were terrified of getting arrested for prescribing them legitimately. When the they started the crackdown, I predicted heroin use would start to spike again, and as we all know, heroin doesn't have the dosage written on the side of a bottle. We've been doing the same shit for 50+ years, and the r…

How do you explain the failed drug decriminalization in Oregon?

What was your personal experience with decriminalization in Oregon?
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