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OpenAI No Longer Takes Safety Seriously

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Re: OpenAI No Longer Takes Safety Seriously

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post #18

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I think it is pretty telling that in response to a direct question about what we have to fear from AI, you link to an article that itself remains so obviously vague that they felt the need to address that they are just appealing to other authorities. An actual plausible threat should be easy to describe. In terms of arguments, vagueness indicates weakness.

No, it’s pretty telling of the state of the intellectual discourse when we’re still getting “we could just turn it off” level responses, so appeals to knowledgeable scientific authorities is the most convincing for people who have strong opinions but haven’t done even 30 minutes of grappling with the case made by those they already dismissed. For the more well-read, there are plausible threads: https://www.lesswrong.…

Let's say we stumble into AGI tomorrow.

Let's say it wants to kill us.

It makes plans to build robot overlords....

Where is it going to build them? Where are all the lights out factories? Where are all the robots to build the robots to build the robots? Your AGI has a massive bootstrapping problem.

Now it needs to build enough robots, that are reliable enough to maintain and run an entire supply chain. How does it get power, build more chips... The whole world is run by PEOPLE ...

There is the classic I, Pencil. The toaster project (https://www.thomasthwaites.com/the-toaster-project/ ) is the more modern take. It's people who watch the walking dead and dont know enough to ask "where the hell is the gas coming from" because that pipline is days long. It's the forgotten instances of "substation attack" never mind the fact that if linesmen stopped showing up to work the grid would fall apart in weeks.

To be candid that list is the hubris of people who do not have a clue of how the real world works outside their ivory tower.

Re: OpenAI No Longer Takes Safety Seriously

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What is the actual threat of AI? Job loss? Tech already did that, the little old ladies that opened your envelope at sears and roebuck got replace by computers a long time ago... Deepfakes? Are we talking the moon landing? Avengers movies? AGI taking over the world? Does no one realize that without people going out every day and doing work the world ends in a week... Does no one remember when we had the spate of tran…

Job loss for knowledge workers , especially affecting intro jobs (I'm thinking of frontend dev or paralegal work, which is how a lot of people get a foothold in these fields). What are reasonable degrees to take out a college loan for in 2024? Militaries using AI checkpoints, guards, patrols, and loitering munitions (from a Humanitarian / rules of war perspective, not necessarily existential risk). Possibly to contin…

>> What are reasonable degrees to take out a college loan for in 2024?

What degree do you take in college in 2004? How about 1960? Because realistically there are a lot of people who got degrees in what amounts to underwater basket weaving and are upset that there isnt a place for the in the work force already. I dont think foreknowlge would change peoples poor choices!

> Militaries using AI checkpoints, guards, patrols, and loitering munitions

This ship sailed: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/06/17/missile-full-...

> QAnonCasualties it seems like YouTube and Facebook

As an atheist, people stoped going to church, talking about Bigfoot and put their bullshit elsewhere... IN my book the new boss is the same as the old boss, just on a different pulpit.

Re: OpenAI No Longer Takes Safety Seriously

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like an unfalsifiable claim of AI threats so I’m inclined to dismiss it out of hand.

Anything that's never happened can't.

Anything that no matter what happens, could still maybe happen in the future but we don't know, is something that I treat the same way I treat claims that the Second Coming will happen someday.

Re: OpenAI No Longer Takes Safety Seriously

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post #27

> OpenAI’s GPT-4, for example, cannot be reliably prevented from hacking secure computer systems, If someone can hack your system, regardless of whether that someone is an LLM, I don't think it's accurate to call it "secure".

In that case there are no secure systems.
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