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Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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Genuinely inquiring: Why do you want this functionality? For things like finding it in a parking lot and such?

Similar to Apple's Find My, to know where the asset and family members (with their consent) are, where they're headed, or their ETA to me. Vehicle speed and location logging has gotten me out of more than one traffic violation.

I see, that could be useful indeed. Thanks!

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There is a growing number of cases where the salesperson will activate OnStar (or a non-GM equivalent) without asking or telling the buyer about it. As far as I know, there is no (legal) way to deactivate OnStar or similar GPS trackers built into cars. Of course if you're driving in a city the proliferation of ALPRs is so pervasive that your movements are being tracked in real-time even if you're driving a 1958 Ford…

> As far as I know, there is no (legal) way to deactivate OnStar or similar GPS trackers Naively... Is it illegal to cut the power to the GPS unit? I do not see why a car needs a GPS built in. So why can I not simply disable it? What am I missing?

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We're entering the age where having private, personal space is becoming almost impossible. If you have a conversation around your phone, you best believe that government actors can tap that mic. If you have a conversation at home, either your "smart" TV, fridge, or Google Home / Alexa is listening. Now, cars are just becoming tablets on wheels. In my Tesla, I am quite literally, being watched every time I drive. Ther…

Tesla does not divulge your location to law enforcement without a warrant, and stands out amongst other automakers who simply hand it over. They also were one of few automakers who wasn't selling your data to LexisNexis Risk Solutions for insurance pricing. https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driv... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39666976 https://www.ft…

> Tesla does not divulge your location to law enforcement without a warrant

Good to know, but legally this can change whenever Tesla wants, no?

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In 1984, you never knew if they were watching. Now you know they're watching.

I suppose you mean the year 1984. Because in the novel "1984", the slogan "Big Brother is watching you." literally contradicts that statement of yours. Wikipedia writes: > The ubiquitous slogan "Big Brother is watching you" serves as a constant reminder that Party members are not entitled to privacy. They are subject to constant surveillance to ensure their ideological purity. This is primarily through omnipresent te…

> The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment.

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> I have to assume that my vehicle will collect data that could be used against me in court. They always have, for a long time. Exploring event data recorders is an interesting art to get into and put together how crashes play out, sensor-by-sensor. To play along at home: https://crashdatagroup.com/ -- amusingly, one of the referrals mentioned on the page was essentially "Someone hit my parked car and then claimed I…

That really, really depends. My stepdaughter was involved in a he-said, she-said collision in a lighted intersection. "I believe I had the green light", "no, I believe I had". So me, thinking, talking to insurer, "While not definitive, if the EDR shows that she was a complete stop for 30s before moving, that might show she was stopped at a red, and then went when it turned green". Insurer: unless we're looking at six…

> Insurer: unless we're looking at six digits in a claim, we're not pulling EDR data.

Fascinating. You'd think that would be the first thing used before any humans even speak.

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Surely you can find the GPS antenna and disconnect it?

Better to replace it with an equivalent resistor so the ECU can't tell the difference between no-antenna and no-signal.

Or maybe just desolder the one capacitor between the physical antenna and LNA. Provided it's not in a can.

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I can only speak to Tesla; they can display the location of my vehicles in the mobile app, I can log my vehicle location constantly with a third party app (Teslascope, Tessie, etc), and other similar location based functionality. I want this functionality, I am willing to opt in to it, but I still expect robust controls (both internal and external) around the data they store and process. I understand some people may…

Genuinely inquiring: Why do you want this functionality? For things like finding it in a parking lot and such?

> For things like finding it in a parking lot and such?

Yes.

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We're entering the age where having private, personal space is becoming almost impossible. If you have a conversation around your phone, you best believe that government actors can tap that mic. If you have a conversation at home, either your "smart" TV, fridge, or Google Home / Alexa is listening. Now, cars are just becoming tablets on wheels. In my Tesla, I am quite literally, being watched every time I drive. Ther…

Ethics among programmers is for sale, sadly.

Re: Carmakers Will Give Your Location to Police Without a Warrant, Senators Say

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We're entering the age where having private, personal space is becoming almost impossible. If you have a conversation around your phone, you best believe that government actors can tap that mic. If you have a conversation at home, either your "smart" TV, fridge, or Google Home / Alexa is listening. Now, cars are just becoming tablets on wheels. In my Tesla, I am quite literally, being watched every time I drive. Ther…

> There is a tiny camera behind the rearview mirror.

Can you not cover it, or do you lose some functionality if you do so?

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One option that’s not great, is to follow the Amish —though the feds like irritating them from time to time. Maybe another is Indian lands, but who knows, they will likely find ways around that too.

What you have to do is stay just under the radar without looking like you're staying under the radar. The Amish stand out. But mc32 driving a 1998 Volvo with no cell phone does not stand out.

> But mc32 driving a 1998 Volvo with no cell phone does not stand out.

What is "mc32"?

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