Is there a version of Clojure that compiles to LLVM or something? Sort of like what Scala-native was supposed to be (but never materialized). I like functional programming but I can't abide the Java ecosystem in 2024, it's just too archaic for my taste.
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#142Is there a version of Clojure that compiles to LLVM or something? Sort of like what Scala-native was supposed to be (but never materialized). I like functional programming but I can't abide the Java ecosystem in 2024, it's just too archaic for my taste.
Soon there will be! https://jank-lang.org
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#143Clojure looks productive. What frameworks libraries do people use to build web apps? Like, replacement for Django view layer and ORM (not looking to debate orms thanks)?
Check out Biff, it's very thoughtfully made: https://biffweb.com
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#144Clojure looks productive. What frameworks libraries do people use to build web apps? Like, replacement for Django view layer and ORM (not looking to debate orms thanks)?
This is a good starting point if you want to get a web app going quickly:
https://biffweb.com
It uses XTDB by default but you can switch to Postgres: https://biffweb.com/p/how-to-use-postgres-with-biff/
People don't really use ORMs in Clojure, they just write SQL directly and abstract the details from consumers using functions. That said, HoneySQL is a common alternative to writing SQL that makes it a lot less painful (and composable!): https://github.com/seancorfield/honeysql
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#145I love clojure, but it's really lost a lot of the momentum it had as many imperative languages have adopted parts of functional programming (and much for the better) over the last many years. On the other side I've felt a lot of the ecosystem work that was done has a more "timeless" quality. Coupled with java interop I haven't ever felt wanting when I do reach for it for some hobby projects I keep up with. One thing…
Should have maintained a python interoperable runtime. Less and less people use JVM languages for things like web apps, data eng, data science, ML, etc.
Give https://github.com/basilisp-lang/basilisp a try
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#146I love clojure, but it's really lost a lot of the momentum it had as many imperative languages have adopted parts of functional programming (and much for the better) over the last many years. On the other side I've felt a lot of the ecosystem work that was done has a more "timeless" quality. Coupled with java interop I haven't ever felt wanting when I do reach for it for some hobby projects I keep up with. One thing…
In my experience, the subsets of the community around clojure were one of the biggest problem with it. It's gotten better over the years, but circa 2016 - 2018 it had a spike in popularity despite being very hostile to newcomers. There was an almost apologist attitude towards rough edges or failure modes folks new to the community would fall into. I managed to work with it for a time despite that, but it left me with…
That is basically every functional programming language in existence.
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#147I was hoping it would be longer, like the tour of golang.
As is it basically just shows you how to do arithmetic, which isn't interesting at all.
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#148Clojure looks productive. What frameworks libraries do people use to build web apps? Like, replacement for Django view layer and ORM (not looking to debate orms thanks)?
This is a good starting point if you want to get a web app going quickly: https://biffweb.com It uses XTDB by default but you can switch to Postgres: https://biffweb.com/p/how-to-use-postgres-with-biff/ People don't really use ORMs in Clojure, they just write SQL directly and abstract the details from consumers using functions. That said, HoneySQL is a common alternative to writing SQL that makes it a lot less painfu…
HoneySQL is so, so good. It does for SQL what Hiccup did for HTML. Once you start writing with those, it's hard to remember there's any other way.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
> many imperative languages have adopted parts of functional programming nailed it. I don't know much about functional languages other than a haskell course back in the day, but I don't want to do functional all the time. It plays great in some situations and I am happy to use those language subsets in my daily coding, but I don't need my entire application to be written in an esoteric language
This is of course a popular opinion and pretty much the C++ philosophy. Unfortunately a lot of the benefits of functional programming cannot be fully realised unless you are "all in". The paper "The Curse of the Excluded Middle" is somewhat blunt but it makes some good points: https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2611829
>a lot of the benefits cannot be fully realized unless you’re all in
That is working under the assumption that “the benefits” are actual benefits.
IMO, “the benefits” are measurably drawbacks, and not a technical debt I am willing to accept for no good reason.
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#150Clojure for the Brave and True by Daniel Higginbotham is a truly great resource to learn Clojure. I highly recommend it. It is also free online [0].
[0]: https://www.braveclojure.com/clojure-for-the-brave-and-true