Cool site, I've never tried Clojure before. My first reaction though is that (+ 1 1) is a highly unconventional and possibly confusing way of writing 1+1, and I'm not sure why that design choice came about.
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#113Another website in this vein is https://www.maria.cloud/ which is more geared up for teaching complete beginners programming, but I think with the basic paredit style controls and the evaluate-each-form-at-a-time style is I think a lot more realistic to the kind of REPL driven development that you actually use — typing directly into the REPL terminal window is very unergonomic imo. You’re much more likely to use something like VSCode’s Calva or emacs’ cider to send the form under the cursor to a REPL process somewhere.
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#114I know many people will have problems with this post, but I am posting as information for clorjure-ophiles. Not reasons, but personal reasons why I don't do Clojure and will not try it. 1. When I read about Clojure (repeatedly) I like it. I am especially interested in transducers. I even built a half baked transducer engine in JavaScript using generators. There is clearly something here of value here. Any system that…
Some dialects at various states of maturity:
CLR: https://github.com/clojure/clojure-clr
LLVM: https://jank-lang.org/
Erlang: https://www.clojerl.org/
Python: http://hylang.org/
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There's no better or worse here, just two types of people. No, two types of solving a problem. I like writing both (Haskell and Go) - for _myself_ - but the tooling and standard library and ... of Go is orders of magnitudes better.
I would refrain from comparing Haskell - a research language intended for academia and created in universities, to Go - a pragmatic industry language intended for production and created in a megacorp. Why would Haskell's tooling be better? It's not reasonable to expect that.
I'm actually surprised Go's tooling as as good as it is _although_ it is made by Google. But to be fair, GoogleTest is OK too.
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#116Clojure looks productive. What frameworks libraries do people use to build web apps? Like, replacement for Django view layer and ORM (not looking to debate orms thanks)?
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#117Does this end at "Apply functions on lists"??
For some reason I can't get past that!
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#118I know many people will have problems with this post, but I am posting as information for clorjure-ophiles. Not reasons, but personal reasons why I don't do Clojure and will not try it. 1. When I read about Clojure (repeatedly) I like it. I am especially interested in transducers. I even built a half baked transducer engine in JavaScript using generators. There is clearly something here of value here. Any system that…
Running on the JVM is one of the best things about Clojure. The JVM is an impressive piece of engineering where uncounted bajillions of man-hours were invested into making a good and performant VM with modern GC.
I've been using Clojure heavily for the last 9 years or so and I can't see any reasons to dislike the JVM. Also, I barely ever touch any Java. You don't need to.
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#119I'm happy with TypeScript, Go, and Rust. Don't feel like learning anything else.
Do you post this comment on every thread involving a language that isn't once of your Holy Three?
Personally I don't feel this strong urge to tell communities that I'm not interested in them. Waste of my time and theirs.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is of course a popular opinion and pretty much the C++ philosophy. Unfortunately a lot of the benefits of functional programming cannot be fully realised unless you are "all in". The paper "The Curse of the Excluded Middle" is somewhat blunt but it makes some good points: https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2611829
Programming without immutability is so painful to me, no matter how many functional features a language adds.
It's painful for the compiler too, it has to turn the parents imperative code into SSA (essentially A-normal form) so it can optimise it!