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Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by mortenjorck »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #21
tudorw wrote: post #7

seriously, if it took you days to set up PHP and MYSQL you might have picked the wrong vocation...

Yes, this may have been true 10 years ago when installing everything meant getting the source , setting compile flags for everything to work together and updates were applied manually. These days I can have Ubuntu , Apache , PHP5 , Mysql and Wordpress all working happily on a VPS in under an hour. On the other hand there are other considerations like maintenance , security and scaling that it might be nice not to hav…

Well, sure, LAMP is easy to set up if you're working in PHP; that's one of the huge advantages PHP has over most other options. You want to set up and deploy to a Rails server, though, that's going to be a bit more effort.

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by cantankerous »

mortenjorck wrote: post #61
jiggy2011 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this may have been true 10 years ago when installing everything meant getting the source , setting compile flags for everything to work together and updates were applied manually. These days I can have Ubuntu , Apache , PHP5 , Mysql and Wordpress all working happily on a VPS in under an hour. On the other hand there are other considerations like maintenance , security and scaling that it might be nice not to hav…

Well, sure, LAMP is easy to set up if you're working in PHP; that's one of the huge advantages PHP has over most other options. You want to set up and deploy to a Rails server, though, that's going to be a bit more effort.

Days/Months of effort?

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by agotterer »

nanijoe wrote: post #49
lopatin wrote: post #34

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Whats wrong with estimating the number of API requests the average user makes and figuring out a price based on that?

How do you do that without first having the users make the API calls, at which point you are already using the service and the estimate is useless..

What do you think could be an alternative? By backed/service that you interface with?

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by agotterer »

alttab wrote: post #31
guelo wrote: post #20

The pricing seems reasonable, free and then goes up to $200/month once you've gained decent traction. Though it's more than double the cost of a VPS that could support 1 million requests and a 1GB database, and that could make all the difference for an ad-supported app with razor thin margins. https://www.parse.com/plans

It could also make all the difference in margins because it might prevent you from hiring backend developers at all. that said, I see multiple problems that need to be overcome. 1) security. what is preventing an end user from opening a js console and going crazy on the db? How can you ensure consistency when the user has access to the code? 2) Growth. if you choose parse as a platform, the lock in seems like it coul…

Curious, what would they need to offer for you to consider it for a functioning business? An easier way to get the data out, an SLA, what?

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by reinhardt »

lclarkmichalek wrote: post #54
clintjhill wrote: post #14

I'm of two minds about this. On one side I think it's a very smart service to use. It removes what otherwise might be a ton of work to duplicate. On the other side I think it's a very dumb thing to be bound to. They certainly free you from their service by allowing an export of your data. But what about all the code written to the API? If at some point in the future you decide you don't want or can't afford Parse - i…

This argument applies to all APIs however. And I can't see any reason why Parse wouldn't be "vulnerable" to another service/library with an identical API (in the non-web world, this has happened often).

All proprietary APIs. Also not all APIs are as critical and large encompassing as the whole backend code of your business.

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by phillmv »

mortenjorck wrote: post #61
jiggy2011 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this may have been true 10 years ago when installing everything meant getting the source , setting compile flags for everything to work together and updates were applied manually. These days I can have Ubuntu , Apache , PHP5 , Mysql and Wordpress all working happily on a VPS in under an hour. On the other hand there are other considerations like maintenance , security and scaling that it might be nice not to hav…

Well, sure, LAMP is easy to set up if you're working in PHP; that's one of the huge advantages PHP has over most other options. You want to set up and deploy to a Rails server, though, that's going to be a bit more effort.

>You want to set up and deploy to a Rails server, though, that's going to be a bit more effort.

I do that regularly enough. For single server setups, I've got it down to about 60-90 minutes - and that's because I've been too lazy to automate it.

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by jiggy2011 »

mortenjorck wrote: post #61
jiggy2011 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this may have been true 10 years ago when installing everything meant getting the source , setting compile flags for everything to work together and updates were applied manually. These days I can have Ubuntu , Apache , PHP5 , Mysql and Wordpress all working happily on a VPS in under an hour. On the other hand there are other considerations like maintenance , security and scaling that it might be nice not to hav…

Well, sure, LAMP is easy to set up if you're working in PHP; that's one of the huge advantages PHP has over most other options. You want to set up and deploy to a Rails server, though, that's going to be a bit more effort.

Not too much more difficult , reverse proxying with apache is only a few lines in the conf file.

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by ulisesrmzroche »

mortenjorck wrote: post #61
jiggy2011 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this may have been true 10 years ago when installing everything meant getting the source , setting compile flags for everything to work together and updates were applied manually. These days I can have Ubuntu , Apache , PHP5 , Mysql and Wordpress all working happily on a VPS in under an hour. On the other hand there are other considerations like maintenance , security and scaling that it might be nice not to hav…

Well, sure, LAMP is easy to set up if you're working in PHP; that's one of the huge advantages PHP has over most other options. You want to set up and deploy to a Rails server, though, that's going to be a bit more effort.

Like Phil said, it doesn't take more than an hour if you're feeling lazy about it. I've automated it with Chef, but I haven't timed it or anything. Less than 10 minutes for sure.

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by ryan_f »

mortenjorck wrote: post #61
jiggy2011 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this may have been true 10 years ago when installing everything meant getting the source , setting compile flags for everything to work together and updates were applied manually. These days I can have Ubuntu , Apache , PHP5 , Mysql and Wordpress all working happily on a VPS in under an hour. On the other hand there are other considerations like maintenance , security and scaling that it might be nice not to hav…

Well, sure, LAMP is easy to set up if you're working in PHP; that's one of the huge advantages PHP has over most other options. You want to set up and deploy to a Rails server, though, that's going to be a bit more effort.

It's pretty cheap to host your rails app on a server such as Heroku and that takes minutes to deploy.

Re: Parse launches JavaScript SDK: Parse for Websites

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Post by tlrobinson »

tudorw wrote: post #7

seriously, if it took you days to set up PHP and MYSQL you might have picked the wrong vocation...

It might be exaggerated a bit but the point is valid. You've got enough things to worry about. Do you really want to be sysadmin too?

Of course Heroku and similar services get you most of the way there, but there are plenty of client-side devs who would rather not deal with backend code at all.

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