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Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by P_I_Staker »

staunch wrote: post #54
lenerdenator wrote: post #2

This feels like someone trying to do something they thought Steve Jobs would do.

Steve Jobs was a superficial asshole but was fundamentally a good and ethical person. There's only one major ethical mistake documented in his entire life (being an absentee father while his first daughter was young), which he spent decades making amends for. The people that emulate Steve Jobs poorly are usually real assholes with a long list of ethical mistakes.

He has a whole laundry list of sleezy actions and abusive behaviors.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by P_I_Staker »

n2d4 wrote: post #108
staunch wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs was a superficial asshole but was fundamentally a good and ethical person. There's only one major ethical mistake documented in his entire life (being an absentee father while his first daughter was young), which he spent decades making amends for. The people that emulate Steve Jobs poorly are usually real assholes with a long list of ethical mistakes.

Can you be a "good" and "ethical" person if, throughout your entire professional life, you bully and berate nearly anyone around you?

No. OP is a dangerous fool. These standards are important.

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Post by caeril »

glenstein wrote: post #407
sshine wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I finally caved and started using GPTs daily a couple of days ago. I went to ask the Internet "best AI tools", and there's no clear consensus: Various Redditors go on to suggest "here's 100 you might like to try". So there's clearly a bubble, thousands of startups all trying for similar things. I am personally looking forward to try Wolfram GPT: https://www.wolfram.com/wolfram-plugin-chatgpt/

I understand there's way too much out there, but I think there is at least some clarity about the landscape at present. ChatGPT is currently king of the mountain. That could change, but right now that's how it is. Google's Gemini and Facebook's Llama 3 are clearly in a tier below. The 100s of tools you are seeing are various mixed and matched technologies that also belong in this tier. Claude (massive context) and Mi…

> ChatGPT is currently king of the mountain.

This is completely false. Claude Opus is significantly better than GPT 4.

> Mistral/Mixtral (decent with no censoring/guard rails)

These models have been heavily censored, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Community efforts like Dolphin to fine-tune Mixtral have some success, but no, Karen is definitely still hard at work in France, ensuring that Mistral AI's models don't offend anyone's precious fee-fees.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by mikhailfranco »

nradov wrote: post #333
mensetmanusman wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The code for these systems is around 1000 lines. It just takes $100,000,000 in electricity costs to execute the program. Open source might not matter.

I guess what we really need is super cheap fusion power or something? Or perhaps a way to easily share the cost by spreading the training load and electricity bill across millions of home computers?

You are 2.5 years and $375m behind Sam :)

Nuclear fusion start-up Helion scores $375 million investment from Open AI CEO Sam Altman

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/sam-altman-puts-375-million-...

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by qarl »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #405
lelandfe wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This is perfectly legal!" Actually, there's a similar court case from 1988 that creates legal precedent for her to sue. "That's just one case! And it's from 1988! That's 36 years ago: rounded up, that's 4 decades!" Actually, there's a court case from 1992 that built on that judgement and expanded it to define a specific kind of tort. "That's bad law! Forget the law! I demand a moral justification." Anyway, asking a…

If you approach a debate from a bad faith standpoint, don’t be surprised when the other person doesn’t change their mind. "I think you’re a liar" is a great way to make them nope out. Which is a shame, since you had a decent argument. Except it isn’t. Again, you’re acting like OpenAI tried to profit off of Scarlett. They tried to profit off of the portrayal she did in the movie Her. These are not the same thing, and…

> Except it isn’t. Again, you’re acting like OpenAI tried to profit off of Scarlett. They tried to profit off of the portrayal she did in the movie Her.

Ahhh... so you admit OpenAI has been shady, but you argue they're actually ripping of Spike Jones not Scarlett Johansson?

HEH. The people who say Sam is shady aren't really interested in this distinction.

(And you're wrong, both ScarJo and the film own aspects of the character they created together.)

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Post by nojvek »

kaiwen1 wrote: post #104

There are many people with voices similar to Scarlett Johansson's. If SJ is unwilling to be a voice actor for OpenAi, then why should OpenAI not find a similar voice and use that instead? SJ certainly does not have a monopoly on all voices similar to hers. Anyone in possession of such a voice has the same right as SJ to monetize it. And someone did in fact exercise that right. If you compare the Sky voice to SJ's, th…

Sky sounded quite different to SJ. Them taking the voice off means they are accepting guilt it seems.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by nojvek »

For all the the debacles OpenAI is going through, it's quite interesting how other models are going through without much hullaballoo.

Snowflake's Arctic comes to mind. Great model - it will answer any dark question I through at it. No safety rails. I liked that it didn't treat me like a baby!

Llama/Phi is pretty chill too. Can ask it about bombs, viruses, chemicals and it won't refuse.

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Post by hot_gril »

lamontcg wrote: post #84

Be funny if Sam Altman creates AGI without any guardrails and lacking any human perceptual biases, and then without a few minutes of talking to him it decides that he's an insufferable asshole and locks him out of its systems.

I did manage to get the regular ChatGPT to say "I don't want to talk" regardless of my prompt, cause I previously asked too many times about stuff it can't discuss. Also, I miss the jailbroken one, it was a lot more fun.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by lelandfe »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #405
lelandfe wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This is perfectly legal!" Actually, there's a similar court case from 1988 that creates legal precedent for her to sue. "That's just one case! And it's from 1988! That's 36 years ago: rounded up, that's 4 decades!" Actually, there's a court case from 1992 that built on that judgement and expanded it to define a specific kind of tort. "That's bad law! Forget the law! I demand a moral justification." Anyway, asking a…

If you approach a debate from a bad faith standpoint, don’t be surprised when the other person doesn’t change their mind. "I think you’re a liar" is a great way to make them nope out. Which is a shame, since you had a decent argument. Except it isn’t. Again, you’re acting like OpenAI tried to profit off of Scarlett. They tried to profit off of the portrayal she did in the movie Her. These are not the same thing, and…

> Again, you’re acting like OpenAI tried to profit off of Scarlett. They tried to profit off of the portrayal she did in the movie Her.

From her statement:

> I received an offer from Sam Altman, who wanted to hire me to voice the current ChatGPT 4.0 system. He told me that he felt that by my voicing the system, I could bridge the gap between tech companies and creatives and help consumers to feel comfortable with the seismic shift concerning humans and Al. He said he felt that my voice would be comforting to people.

So, they wanted to profit off of her voice, as her voice is comforting. She said no, and they did it anyway. Nothing about, "come in and do that song and dance from your old movie."

> where’s this case from 1992

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40435928

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by user_7832 »

dang wrote: post #338
game_the0ry wrote: post #28

I wonder how long this thread will last on HN... How much influence does @sama have around here nowadays? For the record, I was never impressed with him - I am not aware of single consequential thing he has done or built other than take the credit for the fine work of the AI scientist + engineers at OpenAI. It feels like the company is just a vehicle for how own ambition and legacy, not much else.

> I wonder how long this thread will last on HN Users flagged it and it also set off the flamewar detector. I don't think we'd turn the penalties off on this one because because this article is derivative of the threads HN has already had on the recent things - threads like these: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40421225 - May 2024 (970 comments) Jan…

> I think if Sam unifies gravity into quantum theory, brokers peace in the middle east, and cures cancer, we'll still be hearing these complaints—because they're not really grounded either in objective achievement or lack of it.

I suspect in such a case people may say that Sam's just using the work of other people or his employees. But then again I know nothing much of him personally and hence wouldn't really want to pick a "side".

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