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Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by gnicholas »

ThinkingGuy wrote: post #173
raisedbyninjas wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe no school board buys and puts it into every class. Parents will still buy it and it can supplement learning gaps when doing homework. $20/month is a rounding error compared to pre-school, clothes, extra-curricular activies, private school, private tutors, etc.

Most likely scenario: school boards buy it, then use it to justify cutting the number of teachers.

They won’t actively cut teachers, they just won’t hire as many specialists. We have a couple math specialists who just do remedial math. Kids who are at grade level or above get zero attention during math time. This will be a cheap way to provide attention to those kids, at a fraction of the cost of hiring more math specialists or classroom teachers.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by peppertree »

seidleroni wrote: post #110
Pulcinella wrote: post #70

Background: I taught high school science for half a decade and now I am in tech. This will never take off. One, there is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. What little money there is goes to the obvious stuff like student records databases. Anything that requires an ongoing subscription fee is dead in the water. The only reason those stupid smartboards took off is because…

I understand the skepticism around AI in ed tech, and I think people have the right to be skeptical of this being portrayed as a "cure all". Saying that it is of no value because nobody will pay for it and the kids wont learn from it because they're hungry does not capture the whole picture. I was never a great student because I had trouble focusing in class, but if I had this to guide me through my homework, I belie…

If you have ever worked with children you will realize vast majority of them lack the willpower to learn new things and seek out answers. A good teacher can provide the social accountability and guide them, but it's not something you can put on auto pilot with AI.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by [deleted] »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #215
aeyes wrote: post #125

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The kids of people who can afford all you mentioned usually don't have problems with education. It's those who don't have $20. My parents spent almost nothing on my education, just a couple of $ per year to buy a notebook or two. I used the same pens for almost ten years. I participated in zero sports, had zero tutors... I did ok but I had peers with even less resources and not all of them did good.

The very people you are talking about that "don't have problems" are spending money and effort to get their kids to do even better, get into better schools etc. It's not some binary fine/not fine thing. They view it extremely differently to how you appear to be viewing it.

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Post by fragmede »

tptacek wrote: post #170
piker wrote: post #71

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> Every time I go to the grocery store to buy something and don’t have to worry about my card being declined, it feels like magic. Even years later. So this is universal!

I'm almost 30 years from anything resembling precarity and I still subtly cross myself almost every time I swipe a card at the grocery store.

the real question is how many backups do your carry in case the first one doesn't work, and I'm not asking about credit card point games

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by fragmede »

doctoboggan wrote: post #83
7thpower wrote: post #19

I am a high school dropout and who learned math using Khan Academy after never having completed more than pre-algebra in middle school. Sal Khan’s work changed my life and allowed me to build a foundation in not only math, but also finance and economics, that allowed me to feel confident enough to go to college. I did not have a support system or people in my life who could teach me these things, but I had the intern…

Impressive! You should give yourself more credit as it takes more than just internet and patience to teach yourself enough to get into college. I am also excited for society. However I am worried as well. While an AI tutor who is able to understand the child's current knowledge and gear the lessons toward what will make the most sense will be very powerful, it could also be used for brainwashing, propaganda, misinfor…

this is already an objection, that most of the LLMs are aligned to a certain kind of California thinking; Open AI, Anthropic, xAI, and Facebook, among others, being from there.

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Post by stevarino »

djeastm wrote: post #198
cmcconomy wrote: post #144

Really depressing that Bill Gates is impressed by the idea of "chatting with lincoln". Is this what we were missing in school? Our teachers dressing up with a tophat and bullshitting that they're lincoln and making stuff up?

Right? In twenty years, people are going to be comparing their imaginary conversations with Lincoln as if they're historical fact.

That's an interesting "what-if" though... How would a future generation be affected if they have a parasocial relationship with Lincoln? Or any historical figure? Or a currently running politician?

I feel sci-fi authors have their work cut out for them...

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by mceoin »

Pulcinella wrote: post #70

Background: I taught high school science for half a decade and now I am in tech. This will never take off. One, there is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. What little money there is goes to the obvious stuff like student records databases. Anything that requires an ongoing subscription fee is dead in the water. The only reason those stupid smartboards took off is because…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by siamese_puff »

7thpower wrote: post #19

I am a high school dropout and who learned math using Khan Academy after never having completed more than pre-algebra in middle school. Sal Khan’s work changed my life and allowed me to build a foundation in not only math, but also finance and economics, that allowed me to feel confident enough to go to college. I did not have a support system or people in my life who could teach me these things, but I had the intern…

That’s pretty impressive. Any chance you can shed light on the feasibility of this for a standard high school dropout? Did you have certain luxuries from family or otherwise that made this possible?

I’m mostly asking to learn how the US system (assuming you’re in the US) supports folks taking this path.

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Post by neuralnetes-COO »

dotinvoke wrote: post #192
neuralnetes-COO wrote: post #165

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This is the purpose of LLMOps. To provide guardrails for precise output to prevent hallucination.

This is the first I'm hearing of LLMOps, please elaborate a bit on what it entails. How does it provide guardrails?

Basically, do you want a pipeline/process that utilizes LLMs and provides exactly the output you want? How do you formalize a human expert workflow using LLMs? With LLMOps. It is new, there is no standard or predefined resource that I'm aware of. At neuralnetes we are creating all of our methods ad hoc and use tight feedback loops to ensure ideal, precise output.

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Post by Kye »

neuralnetes-COO wrote: post #239
dotinvoke wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first I'm hearing of LLMOps, please elaborate a bit on what it entails. How does it provide guardrails?

Basically, do you want a pipeline/process that utilizes LLMs and provides exactly the output you want? How do you formalize a human expert workflow using LLMs? With LLMOps. It is new, there is no standard or predefined resource that I'm aware of. At neuralnetes we are creating all of our methods ad hoc and use tight feedback loops to ensure ideal, precise output.

That sounds like technical editing but for LLM output instead of technical writers.
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