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Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by jasondigitized »

Pulcinella wrote: post #70

Background: I taught high school science for half a decade and now I am in tech. This will never take off. One, there is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. What little money there is goes to the obvious stuff like student records databases. Anything that requires an ongoing subscription fee is dead in the water. The only reason those stupid smartboards took off is because…

There are obscene amounts of money in EdTedh. It lives in rich parents wallets.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by camdenreslink »

nopinsight wrote: post #207
camdenreslink wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems very incorrect to me. Human teachers make mistakes, or understand details of something incorrectly sometimes, but it doesn't come up in every lesson. It only happens occasionally, and sometimes a student will correct them/challenge them on it. ChatGPT makes mistakes literally every time I use it (in a domain that I'm knowledgable in). How is that the same thing? Being given incorrect information is worse t…

Do you mean GPT-3.5 (free) or GPT-4 (paid)? Their performance and hallucination rates are very different. GPT-4o (the best current model) is now becoming available to free, registered users now. What do you think of it? Unless your domain is very specialized, I think GPT-4T, GPT-4o, and Claude 3 Opus for example are quite good.

I use GPT 4, and it still constantly invents things and presents them to me with authority. I haven’t tried GPT-4o yet.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by Jtsummers »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #213
Jtsummers wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are not the learner which is the context of this particular writeup. Gates is talking about using LLMs to assist students as tutors, and that is not offered for free ($4/month, $44/year).

The idea is that teachers can use it with students. For parents who want to use it with their children, $4/month (for your entire family!) is very small compared to anything out there that you want to use to supplement your kids education (other than Khan Academy itself, which is free). Is it affordable to poor families in Bangladesh? No, but the barrier to sponsorship is low: "for $50K a year you could sponsor it fo…

> The idea is that teachers can use it with students.

https://www.khanmigo.ai/pricing

Yes, teachers can use it with students if they pay for it. One day it might be free for students, but it presently is not. Which is what I was pointing out to the person I originally replied to. This discussion is about Khanmigo, a subset of what Khan Academy provides, and it is not free for students (though, yes, that cost is not exorbitant). But it does make it difficult to claim that Khan Academy is free when the specific feature being discussed is not.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by jasondigitized »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #212
Pulcinella wrote: post #70

Background: I taught high school science for half a decade and now I am in tech. This will never take off. One, there is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. What little money there is goes to the obvious stuff like student records databases. Anything that requires an ongoing subscription fee is dead in the water. The only reason those stupid smartboards took off is because…

There is a small fortune spent on private education. After school classes, tutoring etc etc. The money is spent by the upper middle class and above. If this solution works better for some subset of those people, it will take off in that market.

This. Well to do people do not blink when it comes to funding academic and athletic growth for their children.

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Post by educaysean »

w10-1 wrote: post #152

Generative AI works by selecting the most likely next words. But students misunderstand in many different ways. How would it be tailored instead of another way of delivering lesson plans? Even assuming you already had the topology of the problem space, you'd have to interrogate the student with all possible ways for each question to determine what's missing for them. But part of the problem is impedance matching: fai…

How would an excellent human teacher work with such a failing student? Can that technique be something that the AI could model?

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Post by Apocryphon »

djeastm wrote: post #198
cmcconomy wrote: post #144

Really depressing that Bill Gates is impressed by the idea of "chatting with lincoln". Is this what we were missing in school? Our teachers dressing up with a tophat and bullshitting that they're lincoln and making stuff up?

Right? In twenty years, people are going to be comparing their imaginary conversations with Lincoln as if they're historical fact.

This clip was making the rounds in response to some AI hustler startup making an Alan Turing AI chatbot their CTO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEMbLt4B4iA

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Post by jamilton »

cmcconomy wrote: post #144

Really depressing that Bill Gates is impressed by the idea of "chatting with lincoln". Is this what we were missing in school? Our teachers dressing up with a tophat and bullshitting that they're lincoln and making stuff up?

I'd probably find that kinda entertaining as a kid, and being entertained is useful for teaching/learning to a degree.

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Post by jasondigitized »

olooney wrote: post #4

There has always been a split between students who are there to learn and those who are there to get a diploma. AI will simply make this divide wider. Students who actually want to acquire knowledge and skills will benefit enormously, while students who are trying to skate through with minimal effort will find themselves hitting the job market with literally no skills or knowledge beyond copying-and-pasting in and ou…

That’s a feature of a job market, not a bug.

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Post by barrenko »

tptacek wrote: post #170
piker wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every time I go to the grocery store to buy something and don’t have to worry about my card being declined, it feels like magic. Even years later. So this is universal!

I'm almost 30 years from anything resembling precarity and I still subtly cross myself almost every time I swipe a card at the grocery store.

Just did this a minute ago!
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