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Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Students are not lacking access to information, they're lacking motivation.

> lacking motivation Isn't this for lack of tutors, which AI solves? With teaching now (even via videos), there's no way to present material for 30 students when they vary widely in background understanding and attention span, so only the high middle gets targeted. This creates a vicious cycle where the spread only gets larger as students age. If slow kids can be tutored to catch up, they'll be much more motivated as…

>Isn't this for lack of tutors, which AI solves?

I would argue there's a very human element to tutoring that AI does not provide.

Having been a tutor and also having been tutored myself, the personal relationship is very important. To know some other human is taking their very human time to help you is a powerful motivating factor that an AI can't simulate. To see another human performing some task that you can't activates some kind of primal desire to emulate them. AI can't simulate that.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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But Khanmigo isn't, it's $4/month.

I'm willing to bet that it will be in the future. Maybe a free version that can run locally on Copilot+ level NPU's or GPU's, perhaps taking advantage of software & hardware cost reductions to get it down to a level that they can talk Gates into paying for it.

> I'm willing to bet that [Khanmigo] will be [free] in the future.

If anyone doubts this, just take a look at what Khan Academy currently offers for a fresh perspective. Make an account and click around (https://www.khanacademy.org/signup); it should be easy to see that a ton of effort went into making this and, as far as I can tell, they run purely on donations. I wouldn't be surprised if the current cost of operating Khanmigo is just being passed along by Khan Academy at no markup, or even a slight loss.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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There may be "no money in EdTech" but that doesn't mean there can't be impactful products for it. Students don't want to pay for Google but every student still uses it. Some students will want to waste time if given access to more tools like AI agents, but the motivated ones will use it to their advantage. Even if it's wrong sometimes, it's right a lot, perfect for rubber ducking, and almost always gives answers that…

> As for "GPT-4" fabricating things, I remember in school how I wrote essays and was given A's despite citing NYT and Wikipedia. Fabrications exist all over the place. If anything, hallucinations might give more examples as to how to be skeptical of any source and look for direct sources as much as possible. At least you wrote it by yourself? Copy-paste from GPT-4 removes the whole thinking process and need for basic…

You ask a very interesting question, that to me speaks to the future of education gets to the bottom of education entirely.

Right now, education focuses on getting people through the system so they can attain a credential. It teaches us, primarily, how to get one over on the system, how to look for loopholes and shortcuts. It creates a culture of corruption, of looking for approval from institutions in order to move up in life.

What does a world where anyone can learn anything they like for free very easily look like? Well undoubtedly it looks like a place where a lot of people don't learn much, because they have no interest in learning. But it also looks like a place where people who are interested in learning can and do learn endlessly if they like, the opportunity for anyone to get educated to a degree reserved for elites that most of us could only dream of even two decades ago is upon us. Writing the paper won't be about proving you wrote the paper to some authority figure, because it's no longer proof that you wrote it. Writing the paper will become about helping yourself understand something you want to understand.

So to your question, what is the future of proving that I know something, the future is you can't prove you know something, there's nobody to prove it to and you know things because you want to know things, because you recognize the value on knowing them beyond "this piece of paper qualifies me for a job." The future is the truth that we have been pretending isn't true for a century: that no matter what you try to do, those that want to learn will learn and those that don't won't, and their lives will be what they are on their own merit and of their own volition.

If you want to call yourself educated, the only person you need to be proving that to is yourself. We have entered a world of information post scarcity, which necessarily comes with post scarcity of noise, distraction and disinformation. The competition to understand things and the benefit that comes with understanding things will get stiffer, but access to that competition will become egalitarian. There will be a great divide among people: those that follow the noise of the day and those that continue to learn freely of their own volition.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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This is perhaps one of the best use cases for AI.

(Khan Academy is excellent. Over a decade ago, my home-schooled daughter [we were not living in the US at the time] used Khan Academy throughout high school, scoring 2300 on the SAT and getting a full scholarship to a prestigious US college to study engineering.)

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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I am a high school dropout and who learned math using Khan Academy after never having completed more than pre-algebra in middle school. Sal Khan’s work changed my life and allowed me to build a foundation in not only math, but also finance and economics, that allowed me to feel confident enough to go to college. I did not have a support system or people in my life who could teach me these things, but I had the intern…

Impressive! You should give yourself more credit as it takes more than just internet and patience to teach yourself enough to get into college. I am also excited for society. However I am worried as well. While an AI tutor who is able to understand the child's current knowledge and gear the lessons toward what will make the most sense will be very powerful, it could also be used for brainwashing, propaganda, misinfor…

> While we've invented a better way to transfer knowledge, we haven't removed the human desire to control information.

that is a huge problem; but it's not one solved by technology

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Impressive! You should give yourself more credit as it takes more than just internet and patience to teach yourself enough to get into college. I am also excited for society. However I am worried as well. While an AI tutor who is able to understand the child's current knowledge and gear the lessons toward what will make the most sense will be very powerful, it could also be used for brainwashing, propaganda, misinfor…

We live in a world where wealth is increasingly being concentrated at the top, social mobility for the average person is trending downwards, suicide rates in the US are at all-time highs, drug abuse rising, general deaths of despair rising, mental illness rising, climate and ecological catastrophes mounting by unchecked greed and all of this AI crap is mostly in the hands of the powerful who will use it to solidify t…

Nah, we live in a great world where most people recognize that absolute life quality matters more than relative life quality. Online commenters all go to therapy and are miserable, and their bosses are idiots, and everyone is spying on them, and so on and so on.

But most people are better off than their parents and knowing this, they’re generally happy.

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While these are all valid concerns, they also apply to human teachers. Humans spew bullshit all the time. But that's OK. A teacher's knowledge doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be better than the student's. If ChatGPT explains Chinese history in a way that is 80% accurate, to a student whose understanding of Chinese history is 10% accurate, the student will walk away with a better understanding of Chinese…

This seems very incorrect to me. Human teachers make mistakes, or understand details of something incorrectly sometimes, but it doesn't come up in every lesson. It only happens occasionally, and sometimes a student will correct them/challenge them on it. ChatGPT makes mistakes literally every time I use it (in a domain that I'm knowledgable in). How is that the same thing? Being given incorrect information is worse t…

Do you mean GPT-3.5 (free) or GPT-4 (paid)? Their performance and hallucination rates are very different.

GPT-4o (the best current model) is now becoming available to free, registered users now. What do you think of it?

Unless your domain is very specialized, I think GPT-4T, GPT-4o, and Claude 3 Opus for example are quite good.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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Background: I taught high school science for half a decade and now I am in tech. This will never take off. One, there is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. There is no money in Ed.Tech. What little money there is goes to the obvious stuff like student records databases. Anything that requires an ongoing subscription fee is dead in the water. The only reason those stupid smartboards took off is because…

I agree it's not a silver bullet doesn't begin to address the issue where students aren't learning because of issues they're dealing with outside of school.

I see this as Khan Academy x10. It'll be a great tool for those for whom Khan Academy itself was a good tool. If it's free (or for a nominal free), then parents will use it at home with their kids as a supplement to school. Teachers might use it on a case by case basis with students who want to accelerate or who are behind. It will highly accelerate learning for those who want to and are able to learn. The problems you describe, which are very real and important, are social problems, not educational problems per se or problems solved with technology.

Re: Sal Khan is pioneering innovation in education again

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I studied engineering in university, and as part of that I took enough calculus, numerical methods, statistics, and logic courses to earn a math degree along side my engineering one.

I spent hundreds of hours poring over 1500 page textbooks and being given the driest lectures imaginable by people who were delivering them on autopilot.

I would estimate that one hour of khan academy was roughly equivalent to a weeks coursework, which was 3 lectures and probably an extra 2 hours of self study per lecture. It was undoubtedly the only reason I succeeded in the way I did.

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> But drawing on his experience creating Khanmigo, an AI-powered tutor, Sal makes a compelling case that AI-powered technologies will be different. That’s because we finally have a way to give every student the kind of personalized learning, support, and guidance that’s historically been out of reach for most kids in most classrooms. As Sal puts it, “Getting every student a dedicated on-call human tutor is cost prohi…

> If you want to learn something, and have the motivation, then reading the textbook is easily good enough (for theoretical subjects) and for less theoretical subjects you barely need a textbook, just lots of practice.

This may be true for the average student, but I don't absorb content from written text very well at all. The single biggest reason why I got A's through college was being able to listen to video lectures (YouTube, Khan Academy, and occasionally the professors themselves) at 2x speed. I absorb and retain information that way extremely easily, but put me in front of a textbook and I can't focus on it.

YouTube may not have been an education revolution for you, but it's definitely changed my life.

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